FidelioJet Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, slats said: This is the sound logic I generally like to use in these situations. I prefer to be on the receiving end of these blockbuster deals (i.e.: receiving the picks). When you give up a couple high picks and big money, you’re giving up enough assets for a few good starters. With the #10 pick involved, you’re talking about a player who’s expected to be very good right away. The Jets crushed the Jamal Adams trade, for example, but the teams that traded away first rounders for guys like Diggs and Stafford are probably fairly pleased with how their trades worked out, too. It’s pretty obvious that the Jets really want to add a major piece to help jumpstart Zach and the offense, though, and I like that approach, too. JD is scrupulously frugal enough of the time that he can take a singular plunge like this if he’s feels it’s in the team’s best interest. I’ll have mixed feelings whichever way this goes down. I just know I want Zach put in the best possible position to succeed. There’s no doubt that Deebo Samuel would be a big help in that regard. Agree with all of this. If JD is really making this call (and not Woody - which is a very real possibility IMO) I can't imagine #10 is involved - I would honestly be surprised if it even matched the Hill package. You tell me 35 and a 4th or even a 3rd and I'm feeling good about this....But 10, in my opinion would be far too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: Agree with all of this. If JD is really making this call (and not Woody - which is a very real possibility IMO) I can't imagine #10 is involved - I would honestly be surprised if it even matched the Hill package. You tell me 35 and a 4th or even a 3rd and I'm feeling good about this....But 10, in my opinion would be far too much. I'm kicking you out of the Zach Wilson fan club. @Hal N of Provo we lost a good one today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreened Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 There is 0% chance 10 and 35 are moved for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 29 minutes ago, the Claw said: if he’s unhappy with the 49rs, wait’ll he gets a load of the Jets. Why 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, Gastineau Lives said: I'm kicking you out of the Zach Wilson fan club. I'm legit worried about one year of his production - in a gadgety role. I was all in on the Hill deal and would be happy with Melcalf for the Hill deal...But these guys are talking about #10 and #35 - and then having to pay him $25mm plus. I just feel like it's a big risk to put all your eggs in a one year basket. Williams and Bryce Hall changes this offense...Then use that $25mm to shore up the remaining couple of holes on D ----- and I believe that helps Zach more than rolling the dice on Deebo. Now, if you're going to tell me JD is going to sit on that $25mm+ and just keep rolling it over - I might feel differently. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Bronx said: Injury history: https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/deebo-samuel/10205 I'm sure a lot of money will keep him on the field....Back that truck up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, GangGreened said: There is 0% chance 10 and 35 are moved for him Can't say for sure it's 0% but I generally agree. I can't see how we'd offer more for him than MIA or we did for Tyreek. Both 2s would probably be the ceiling but I could see either #10 alone, or #35 and #69. Assuming we can agree on a contract that is sane (something a little shy of the area of Tyreek's 4-year, $90M would probably be the real number plus the imaginary 5th year to bring the AAAV up near $30M). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Let’s see. The other day it was AJ Brown tweet that he wants out. Now it’s Deebo. By Friday it will be DK’s turn. All three have the same agent ie playbook. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: With 10, 35 and $25mm... I can have... Deebo Samuel (one year of elite production in 3) Or with 10, 35 and $25mm I can have: Jameson Williams Breece Hall Honey Badger Jedeveon Clowney (could be any mix of picks or FA's - OBJ, Stefan Gilmore, JC Tretter, Akiem Hicks etc) But I think you get my point.... Jameson is a huge risk Breece Hall is a RB. You don’t take a RB that high unless your roster is super deep like the Bills and you need that one element. Honey badger was overlooked by many teams and undervalued. Hmm ? Clowney is a good run stopper but never fulfilled his promise. But I’m not surrendering any 1st rounders for ANYBODY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec143dmf Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, LockeJET said: Hill wanted 30 million a year it was nowhere near what the Chiefs were offering. The Chiefs have a lot of money tied up going forward and once they knew they weren’t gonna meet his contract requirement he was gone he was going to be traded. There was only two teams willing to meet his contract demands along with giving up assets. And you can say the same in the Deebo situation. 49ers have to pay Bosa, Kittle , etc... Deebo wants to be the highest paid non quarterback in the league. Same exact situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec143dmf Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: He had ONE YEAR where he missed more than one game. But let's discount his ONE YEAR of mvp level football by calling it a good year to help make a point. Its also no small fact that his "one good year" came last season. It didn't happen in 2015. I said great not good and call it what you want. it still was only one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungaman Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Herve' Villechaize was a perv And so what's the problem here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I'm legit worried about one year of his production - in a gadgety role. I was all in on the Hill deal and would be happy with Melcalf for the Hill deal...But these guys are talking about #10 and #35 - and then having to pay him $25mm plus. I just feel like it's a big risk to put all your eggs in a one year basket. Williams and Bryce Hall changes this offense...Then use that $25mm to shore up the remaining couple of holes on D ----- and I believe that helps Zach more than rolling the dice on Deebo. Now, if you're going to tell me JD is going to sit on that $25mm+ and just keep rolling it over - I might feel differently. What gadgety role? The RB snaps, fine, take them out he still averaged 40 percent more per catch than Tyreek Hill. DK Metcalf has yet to have a season receiving wise that Deebo had last year. DK Metcalf played with Russel Wilson who is a little better Jimmy Garropoloollollo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maynard13 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 31 minutes ago, The Crusher said: I’ve gone on plenty of diets, I just suck at it, Intermittent fasting. It works but takes discipline. Took me 5 years to figure it out. I’m a slow learner ?Then Covid hit and I said Eff it. But going back to it. It’s all mindset. And it’s really quite simple. You can eat whatever you want. It’s just all a matter of when and how much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Hmmm, a dual threat guy. This so reminds me of a Le'Veon Bell type player. I'd rather have Metcalf if he becomes available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drums Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Hope we get him but either way Im taking WR in the draft, just later. No more Jeff Smiths 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: I'm legit worried about one year of his production - in a gadgety role. I was all in on the Hill deal and would be happy with Melcalf for the Hill deal...But these guys are talking about #10 and #35 - and then having to pay him $25mm plus. I just feel like it's a big risk to put all your eggs in a one year basket. Williams and Bryce Hall changes this offense...Then use that $25mm to shore up the remaining couple of holes on D ----- and I believe that helps Zach more than rolling the dice on Deebo. Now, if you're going to tell me JD is going to sit on that $25mm+ and just keep rolling it over - I might feel differently. This is also a very strong position. Offering a comp of Williams and Hall at those picks (which I don't think we would need to use to make the trade) is compelling and I would not hate those picks. How would you feel if it was #35 and #69 we had to use? Wouldn't even stop us from getting Williams and having a great WR for a change. Assume he's a $20M/year over 4 years contract to extend (basically just shy of what Tyreek actually got). I get the one-year thing, but even before that, he was still very effective in that role. With him, we wouldn't need Breece Hall at least. Also, notice the YPC stats. He led the league last year (not even talking about his runs). More than Hill. More than Chase. He's not just a gadget player based on that. Plus remember who he was catching passes from versus those other guys. I'm not sure, but I'm interested. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, JiFapono said: whoa - I figured this was just posturing for a new deal. I thought he absolutely loved Shanahan? This makes me antsy in my pantsy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the Claw Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 10 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Why The 49rs have been relevant and competitive within the past two decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Drums said: Hope we get him but either way Im taking WR in the draft, just later. No more Jeff Smiths its crazy we sign him to a futures deal. what is the infatuation with Jeff smith. stone hands... Corey Davis Jr and not even as close to JAG as Davis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepPep Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 hour ago, section314 said: If we are going to give up assets fora WR, he’s got to be a true , no doubt about it, #1. This guy doesn’t seem to be that player. You may have to way, lets say, forever, for that to happen. Is DK a 'true #1' no. Is Deebo a 'true #1' no. Would I love for the Jets to get either one of them by giving up SOME draft assets rather than drafting a WR who will a. take time to develop and b. could bust...yes, I think so. Of course, there's the money. You are looking at close to 30mil per year devoted to a WR for Deebo. But contracts are flexible. And the cap is always going up. Our QB is on a rookie deal, I think if ever this may be an ok time to sign a stud WR long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, sec143dmf said: I said great not good and call it what you want. it still was only one year. The other two years: Rookie season Jones fracture And again, it was the very last thing he did while on a football field 14 weeks ago. That is significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stark Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Just now, PepPep said: You may have to way, lets say, forever, for that to happen. Is DK a 'true #1' no. Is Deebo a 'true #1' no. Would I love for the Jets to get either one of them by giving up SOME draft assets rather than drafting a WR who will a. take time to develop and b. could bust...yes, I think so. Of course, there's the money. You are looking at close to 30mil per year devoted to a WR for Deebo. But contracts are flexible. And the cap is always going up. Our QB is on a rookie deal, I think if ever this may be an ok time to sign a stud WR long term. and don't forget you can drop Corey Davis and his $14 mil which helps as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65 Toss Power Trap Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Who knows what Deebo’s real motivations are, and who knows if the Jets would even be an option for him. But, this guy is an immediate game changer. Zach would be better, Corey and the other wide receivers would immediately be better, and this team would be a whole lotta fun to watch. Certainly we would have to give up a lot to get him in money and draft capital, but at some point Jets have to make the big splash move to get talent that jettisons us into the future. I’m not saying we can’t do that through the draft. But this could be the move that finally changes the Jets trajectory. It could also set us back like moves in the past. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec143dmf Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said: The other two years: Rookie season Jones fracture And again, it was the very last thing he did while on a football field 14 weeks ago. That is significant. I average a 201 in bowling. Last night I shot my personal best series of 784. I guess what I did the rest of the times I bowled don't make a difference and all that matters is what I did recently. Your point makes no sense to me at all. I am not calling him a bad player. I just have a hard time justifying high draft picks and a huge contract based off of one year. Agree to disagree I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
65 Toss Power Trap Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stark said: and don't forget you can drop Corey Davis and his $14 mil which helps as well. Aren’t we locked in a contract with Corey for two more years? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 4 minutes ago, Stark said: and don't forget you can drop Corey Davis and his $14 mil which helps as well. His salary is fully guaranteed, he’s not going anywhere this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, the Claw said: The 49rs have been relevant and competitive within the past two decades. That's twenty years. I know you mean ten or so basically you're using language to make a point because now I have to respond that we were in back to back AFC championships 11 years ago and that sounds silly so well done. I guess your point is that we can never get the good players until we get the good players? That we're a wasteland until we're not a wasteland or is all lost and we should just all find something else to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LockeJET Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 16 minutes ago, sec143dmf said: And you can say the same in the Deebo situation. 49ers have to pay Bosa, Kittle , etc... Deebo wants to be the highest paid non quarterback in the league. Same exact situation. Wrong! 49ers are a more well-rounded team than the Chiefs. they got a great defense, a running game and they’re ready to compete for a championship. The Chiefs have already won and were struggling to win it all with Hill on the team. they needed to move Hill because they weren’t gonna pay him what he wanted and they needed assets to build a better team around Mahomes. 49ers can technically keep Deebo at team friendly money for two more seasons and make a legit run. Chiefs got to the point where they had to move Hill 49ers are not there yet. 49ers can afford Deebo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 65 Toss Power Trap Posted April 20, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 20, 2022 The one year wonder stuff makes no sense. He is extremely talented. He is just coming into his own. I don’t think he’s going to go to another team and all of a sudden become mediocre. And Shanahan is not the only coach who can scheme plays for this dude. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Talent wise for Deebo NP. But the story with him is his health. He's been overused by SF and banged up and those are the kind of hits that have their effect long term. I've seen few receivers exposed down the middle as much as he was. So I don't give up our 10 if he can pass a physical maybe a second rounder. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, C Mart said: Let’s see. The other day it was AJ Brown tweet that he wants out. Now it’s Deebo. By Friday it will be DK’s turn. All three have the same agent ie playbook. Tyreek might want out of Miami by now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 27 minutes ago, GangGreened said: There is 0% chance 10 and 35 are moved for him Exactly. I dont even know why that’s even part of the discussion. Same with saying he is going to cost $30M. Deebo is looking for a deal that gets up to $25M. So meeting is salary demands looks more like the Diggs extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, nycdan said: This is also a very strong position. Offering a comp of Williams and Hall at those picks (which I don't think we would need to use to make the trade) is compelling and I would not hate those picks. How would you feel if it was #35 and #69 we had to use? Wouldn't even stop us from getting Williams and having a great WR for a change. Assume he's a $20M/year over 4 years contract to extend (basically just shy of what Tyreek actually got). I get the one-year thing, but even before that, he was still very effective in that role. With him, we wouldn't need Breece Hall at least. Also, notice the YPC stats. He led the league last year (not even talking about his runs). More than Hill. More than Chase. He's not just a gadget player based on that. Plus remember who he was catching passes from versus those other guys. I'm not sure, but I'm interested. Yes, 35 and 69 and $20mm - I'm fully on board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNuuFaaolaExperience Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Let's trade for a guy who is unhappy on a team that was one TD drive away from the Super Bowl and have him play on a team that has 13 wins in three years. This will be an AMAZING trade and overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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