A defense of Adam Gase....

[RonaldJet]

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

[Barry McCockinner]

So your defense is basically he's only human and he's doing the best he can. I guess that's something.

[CTM]

Agreed completely. Mac is more responsible for this mess than Gase.

[Wonderboy]

Cochran couldn’t defend this post.

[RonaldJet]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

So your defense is basically he's only human and he's doing the best he can. I guess that's something.

Yes-a bit of that (to those who spend $ to publicly humiliate him)

But also knowing this mess is not really his fault. He’s made it worse, but he doesn’t deserve all the hate. 

[Joe W. Namath]

Did you feel bad for maccagnan when this scumbag adam gase went behind his back and got him fired?

Get out of here with this nonsense.  Gase is a manipulative, conniving, controlling, abusive man.

There is no place for this thread on this forum.  he is ruining our beloved jets and you feel bad for the guy.  Not even the revolution can help you. 

[BallinPB]

Nobody is blaming this entirely on Gase.  There's still a trail of stench that Macc leftover this franchise that will be felt for the next 1-2 years.  Chris Johnson is also getting blame for his timing on firing Mac and his hiring of Gase.

Gase is getting the blame for seemingly losing the locker room already, not having the players prepared to play on a week in and out basis and most of all our QB showing signs of regression.  His time management last game was very Bowlesesque.  Most of you know there was no grace period for this coach being that he was not a first time coach and his losing track record over the previous years.  

So does Gase deserve most of the blame.  I'd say yes.  Darnold is the biggest piece to this.  He was brought in primarily to help Darnold take his game to the next level and that he is failing at miserably.  

[funaz]

If people want to argue you can't judge Darnold because of his oline and lack of weapons. 

You can't in the next sentence argue that Gase should be judged because of the bad oline and poor wr performance

[CTM]

2 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said:

Did you feel bad for maccagnan when this scumbag adam gase went behind his back and got him fired?

 

Mac's failures were conclusive over years and years and nobody ever started a GoFundMe. Gase has had 8 games with a sh*t roster and the pitchforks are out. Much different timeframe of poor performance and much, much different fan reaction.

[SAR I]

17 minutes ago, RonaldJet said:

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

Great post.

Preach it.  Don't let the ignorant angry mob down your spirits or drive a good head coach away.  Injuries suck, bad drafts suck, neither is Adam Gase's fault.

The 10 "fire Gase" people you read in this forum and on Twitter and hear on the radio are idiots.

SAR I

[Warfish]

56 minutes ago, RonaldJet said:

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

When you accept a very public, multi-million dollar contract to Coach an NFL football team, the potential for mass criticism comes along with that.

I am not weeping for the "husband and father" Gase.  I revile the Head Coach Gase.  He will get many MANY millions of dollars, more than this forum's members will all see in their lifetimes combined, for his one (or more) year of incompetence.  I do not owe him pity.

This is not a "Defense" of Gase, this is a plea to emotion, a sappy attempt to stem the complete devastation of the Jets Fanbase over this year's debacle and to try and make none of it his responsibility.  Sorry, he will take his lumps along with his unearned millions.

We are all aware he is not solely to blame.  But he IS to blame.

[Barry McCockinner]

10 minutes ago, RonaldJet said:

Yes-a bit of that (to those who spend $ to publicly humiliate him)

But also knowing this mess is not really his fault. He’s made it worse, but he doesn’t deserve all the hate. 

Dear Mrs. Gase,

I don't think the money being spent is intended to publicly humiliate Gase. I think it's intended to pressure the incompetent owners to move on from what was obviously a mistake. Your husband is a grown ass man getting paid millions of dollars - I think he'll get over some vitriol from the fans.

 

[chirorob]

10 minutes ago, CTM said:

Agreed completely. Mac is more responsible for this mess than Gase.

There's no way to know exactly what happened.   There were stories Gase wanted to trade down in the 1st, and Mac wouldn't do it.   If they had traded down, and then drafted some O Line help, maybe the season isn't as completely lost.

Gase hasn't done a good job, but Mac left no talent on this roster.

[Joe W. Namath]

Just now, CTM said:

Mac's failures were conclusive over years and years and nobody ever started a GoFundMe. Gase has had 8 games with a sh*t roster and the pitchforks are out. Much different timeframe of poor performance and much, much different fan reaction.

Gase doesnt have 8 games.  he has 4 years of this incompetence as a head coach.  Do you guys understand he ran the dolphins into the ground?

I feel bad for the ones getting left behind.  

[Fantasy Island]

18 minutes ago, RonaldJet said:

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

Peyton can go **** off for recommending him.

[shuler82]

7 minutes ago, funaz said:

If people want to argue you can't judge Darnold because of his oline and lack of weapons. 

You can't in the next sentence argue that Gase should be judged because of the bad oline and poor wr performance

And Gase wasn’t here all offseason with an opportunity to bring in his Coaching staff and guys? It was never a one year fix but the team’s regressed under his watch.

[Joe W. Namath]

Its funny how the gase supports were nowhere to be found Sunday night, Monday or Tuesday.  Ram away with their tail between their legs.

Now that its Wednesday they have their courage back.  Cant wait till Sunday night after the jets get trashed again by a below average Giants team for these sissys to disappear again.

It was fun talking football with knowledgeable football fans.

[TheClashFan]

People always look for scapegoates; it's human nature.  The owners are not going away, and a new GM was just recently hired to a six year deal and has had very little chance to make his mark (good or bad) on the team. So, who can you focus your outrage on? 

Gase has had a chance and has fared poorly so far.  FWIW, I did not want him hired and think he's a bad coach.  However, just rage firing him accomplishes little to nothing, except for one possibly significant issue:

The main reason for possibly firing Gase is the "ruining" of Darnold.  Gase just loves those empty back sets or sending a lone back out as a receiver, but meanwhile the AWFUL OL continues to do a terrible job in pass protecting.  Yet, Gase rarely moves the pocket/rollouts or keeps a back in to pick up the first pass rusher to break free (and that happens quickly on a large majority of the pass plays). He needs to adjust to this right away or he should be fired.

I want to embrace the tank; b/c Gase is bad, the team will likely lose most of the remaining games, and that's fine, but he's got to do a better job protecting Darnold. Yes, the roster stinks.  Yes, there have been lots of injuries.  But, he was hired here supposedly to take Darnold to the "next level," but instead SD is regressing.  That needs to stop, now. I hope JD has already communicated that to Gase.

[Nixhead]

Lets take a quick look at the Islanders. They were supposed to be bad last season - not much talent. In comes a well respected very good head coach in Barry Trotz. He turns things around completely and the undermanned Islanders have a great season and make it to the second round of the playoffs. I thought the Islanders would take a step back this season - no big talent influx - basically the same team. I was wrong. Trotz not only has them playing great defense like last season but he has added offense to their game and now the Islanders are even more dangerous. Also he has the Islanders farm team playing the same system he uses so when they need a player from the farm that player fits right in and excels. Coaching is everything. Gase simply doesnt have it . He cant see past the QB. He doesnt have a good system of plays. He is narrow minded. If Gase was gonna be a good head coach by now we would know. A good head coach makes all the difference in the world especially in football. The Jets are barely competitive. Show Gase the door and get a winner in here.

[southparkcpa]

34 minutes ago, RonaldJet said:

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

Woody? Chris???  Is that you?

[T0mShane]

23 minutes ago, CTM said:

Mac's failures were conclusive over years and years and nobody ever started a GoFundMe. Gase has had 8 games with a sh*t roster and the pitchforks are out. Much different timeframe of poor performance and much, much different fan reaction.

It’s because Gase doesn’t do fan service and beg for forgiveness after losses. Too many fans feel entitled to seeing their coaches squirm for them, win or lose. 

[jgb]

How do we reconcile the apparent unanimous opinion that Macc left no talent on the roster with the playoff expectations of this summer? 

[Warfish]

20 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

It’s because Gase doesn’t do fan service and beg for forgiveness after losses. Too many fans feel entitled to seeing their coaches squirm for them, win or lose. 

No, it's because I have never seen, in all my years, an Offense that looks and produces as poorly as this current Jets offense does.

He could be Rainman, muttering alone on the sidelines about Judge Wapner whilst huffing his "special smelling salts", for all I care.....as long as our Offense produces and we win games.

I get you (and SAR) are both deep in on trolling the Fanbase Tom, fun times, I get it.  But please, in a moment of seriousness, you cannot possibly look at the totality of this Coach's resume and see "future Super Bowl Head Coach" in it.....can you?

 

[jetstream23]

1 hour ago, RonaldJet said:

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

There's a lot wrong with the Jets...management, roster, coaching, etc.  I agree with the bold above that you can't simply pin this failed season on one guy....but he's clearly not part of the solution right now.  The Jets were bad in 2016, 2017, 2018 and now again here in 2019, with a roster that has changed year to year and now two different head coaches.  It's more than Gase....but he's not showing he's the guy who can keep a sinking ship at least afloat until help arrives.  And that's really what he should be doing right now...but isn't.  Gase should be able to steady a team that has a bad roster but a promising QB.  I don't expect them to win except possibly against teams like Miami, Giants, Cincy but the Jets should be at least reasonably competitive and the QB shouldn't be worse than he was last year.

The Jets look flat, they don't seem competitive and the QB is regressing.  That's all on our offensive-minded HC in my opinion.

[Larz]

I’ve resigned myself to the fact that top tier talent won’t come here because of ownership 

until that changes Adam gase is the aisle we are shopping in

[ChuckkieB]

48 minutes ago, SAR I said:

Great post.

Preach it.  Don't let the ignorant angry mob down your spirits or drive a good head coach away.  Injuries suck, bad drafts suck, neither is Adam Gase's fault.

The 10 "fire Gase" people you read in this forum and on Twitter and hear on the radio are idiots.

SAR I

You disqualify yourself from any serious debate when you refer to Gase as a "good head coach." 

[jeremy2020]

1 hour ago, RonaldJet said:

It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). 

You mean the guy that considers it a point of pride that he showed up and then left immediately after his kid was born telling his wife, "you good?" so he could go back to drawing up genius plans for Peyton Manning to not use?

[BUM-KNEE]

5 minutes ago, Larz said:

I’ve resigned myself to the fact that top tier talent won’t come here because of ownership 

until that changes Adam gase is the aisle we are shopping in

Thats it in a nutshell

[Philc1]

Same asinine defense people had of Bowles and Macagnan 

[Apache 51]

1 hour ago, RonaldJet said:

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

What about fundamentals, time management, coaching in real time during the game etc.etc.. I'm all in for giving the handicapped a fair opportunity, however, this guy isn't doing anything to help himself. Sure we will have to give him another year to prove himself, but a tiger doesn't change his stripes. I'm hoping he is the exception to the rule.

[cbudiarjo]

18 minutes ago, Warfish said:

No, it's because I have never seen, in all my years, an Offense that looks and produces as poorly as this current Jets offense does.

He could be Rainman, muttering alone on the sidelines about Judge Wapner whilst huffing his "special smelling salts", for all I care.....as long as our Offense produces and we win games.

I get you (and SAR) are both deep in on trolling the Fanbase Tom, fun times, I get it.  But please, in a moment of seriousness, you cannot possibly look at the totality of this Coach's resume and see "future Super Bowl Head Coach" in it.....can you?

 

not wanting the head coach fired after 1 season, or 8 games regardless of how poorly it has been does not equate to seeing a future super bowl head coach.

[Philc1]

1 hour ago, RonaldJet said:

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

How come Bill Parcells managed to improve to 9-7 with virtually the same roster Dick Kotite had 1 year prior?

[TuscanyTile2]

1 hour ago, RonaldJet said:

Did I want Adam Gase as the HC? Not at all

Although.....

I was willing to give him a chance, and while he’s been dealt a tough hand with injuries and Darnold mono the non-competitive performances the team is putting forth on a weekly basis are completely unacceptable in the NFL. 

With that said.....

I hate the way the media and fanbase is pinning the entirety of this organization (owners) incompetencies on this one guy. “We are going to burn you at the stake because we are pissed off”

Gase had not done a good job and knows he’s probably getting fired. It’s time to realize he’s a husband, father, and is doing the best he can at his job (just like anyone else). Gase identified 3 months on the job the incompetences of Mike McCagnans personnel dept and within 8 games of his first season  he has experienced more vitriol from the media and fanbase than McCagnan had  in five years. 

I agree Macc is more responsible than Gase for this mess but that doesn’t mean Gase gets a free pass. Gase has done nothing so far to earn him another shot as HC of the NYJ next year.  He does deserve the rest of this season but he had better show improvement.  And quickly!

[Apache 51]

1 hour ago, Fantasy Island said:

Peyton can go **** off for recommending him.

[Joe W. Namath]

25 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I get you (and SAR) are both deep in on trolling the Fanbase Tom, fun times, I get it.

 

I figure so.  Thanks for confirming.  Ive now put him in the same bucket as Same Old SAR and others.