Who Do You Blame: Sam or The Jets?

[Jetscode1]

Look no further than the Johnson brothers.  Reminds me of the Jamal Adams quote "They do not want to win".  Which is another way of saying, they will not do what's necessary to win and take an attitude of failure is not a mutherfukking option.  When your owners are entitled to a billion dollars at birth and they buy a football team without any skills how to lead that organization you have a recipe for disaster.  The front office, the head coaches, the players all take their cue from the leadership and these dawgs don't hunt.  The only thing left to do is laugh at this comedic football club they have created in their own image. 

[Larz]

Maccagnan 

he wantef Sam, cut Harris and decker to hurt the team but then brought in a veteran QB and it ultimately cost him 3 picks that could have been used to build around Sam 

Malpractice

[FidelioJet]

14 minutes ago, jgb said:

Don’t go into forensics 

Sam has gotten noticeably worse over the 3 years he's been there.  By all accounts, he's worked hard and done everything he could - which leads to only one conclusion, the Jet ruined him.  

[AtticusGase]

It is the fault of one man-Christopher Johnson. 
 

1)He allowed Mike McCagnan to go on a spending spree which essentially locked this roster in place for two years (2019 and 2020). Tons of dead money and free agents not contributing. 
 

2)He hired the worst possible head coach for the kid. 

 

[jgb]

12 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Sam has gotten noticeably worse over the 3 years he's been there.  By all accounts, he's worked hard and done everything he could - which leads to only one conclusion, the Jet ruined him.  

1+2=746,688,859,856

[T0mShane]

The situation was awful thanks to Maccagnan being the worst GM in history, but what can’t be denied is that Darnold showed *zero* fight through any of it. He’s going to get ousted from the Jets without ever once showing a hint of spine. The Jets didn’t ruin Darnold, the Jets exposed Darnold. 

[slimjasi]

17 minutes ago, FidelioJet said:

Sam has gotten noticeably worse over the 3 years he's been there.  By all accounts, he's worked hard and done everything he could - which leads to only one conclusion, the Jet ruined him.  

a) He was slightly better in year 2 than he was in year 1

b) What?

[Icer]

The franchise sucks

The owner sucks

His little brother sucks

Some guy called Hymie probably sucks

Mike Maccagnan is the worst GM in history

Adam Gase is the worst coach in modern football

The Hobbit might be better than Gase based on the 2 games he let him actually call the plays, but can't say for sure

Sam Darnold sucks

 

tldr: Everybody sucks!

[jgb]

12 minutes ago, Icer said:

The franchise sucks

The owner sucks

His little brother sucks

Some guy called Hymie probably sucks

Mike Maccagnan is the worst GM in history

Adam Gase is the worst coach in modern football

The Hobbit might be better than Gase based on the 2 games he let him actually call the plays, but can't say for sure

Sam Darnold sucks

 

tldr: Everybody sucks!

Pretty much!

[Patriot Killa]

1 hour ago, Jets Voice of Reason said:

It’s both of them. The Jets have not built around him properly and seem to have this massive aversion to prioritizing skill position players. 

Sam has not improved his mechanics or decision-making at all. A more driven player finds a way to get it done. 

^ 100%

[New York Mick]

Both. Sam looks awful and the coaching staff is horrible 

[LIJetsFan]

Sam played ok-ish under Bowles so it's got to be Gase.  None the less, it's Sam's career and reputation on the line.  He's a multi-millionaire who lacks the wherewithal to fix himself.  So no he's not a FQB.           

[BettyBoop]

1 hour ago, SAR I said:

Sam is a bust.  We were warned, we didn't listen, and it happened.

SORE I

 

[jgb]

4 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said:

Sam played ok-ish under Bowles so it's got to be Gase.  None the less, it's Sam's career and reputation on the line.  He's a multi-millionaire who lacks the wherewithal to fix himself.  So no he's not a FQB.           

Bowles >>> Gase

[hungry jackson]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

It’s ******* bonkers to me that the only consistency in the Jets fan experience over my lifetime is bitching and arguing over who to blame.

And it never fails... it ALWAYS becomes a pedantic exhibition of how most humans think accountability is zero sum.

pedantic

[pəˈdan(t)ik]

 

ADJECTIVE

1. of or like a pedant.

   "many of the essays are long, dense, and too pedantic to hold great appeal"

   synonyms:

   overscrupulous · scrupulous · precise · exact · over-exacting · perfectionist · precisionist · punctilious · meticulous · fussy · fastidious · finical · finicky · dogmatic · purist · literalist · literalistic · formalist · scholastic · casuistic · casuistical · sophistic · sophistical · 

   [more]

[Gastineau Lives]

Out of Jackson, Allen, Mayfield, Darnold we somehow drafted the worst one while drafting the most highly touted. We also had the worst possible place for a QB to start his career than the others by far. Not saying it's not on Sam, but it makes you think, at least.

[jetfan61]

The Jets

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[Defense Wins Championships]

If Sam isn't a bust all because the team who drafted him well then no Jets fan can ever consider David Carr or Ryan Leaf as being busts either. 

Look. The Jets were nowhere to be found when Sam Darnold was a USC fumbling and INT turnover machine. 

He stinks. 

The Jets aren't innocent. Front office and ownership have failed the kid but chances are even if provided A+ offensive talent he still would've stunk. 

Not even a Franchise LT protecting his blindside could save him (not even a little bit) because he's now ranked and rated as the 48th QB as a 3rd player (48th out of a possible 50). 

It took Robby Anderson ESCAPING Sam Darnold in order to become a top 10 WR immediately after escaping Sam (his arm unlike Josh Allen absolutely STINKS too). 

The Jets front office has been awful but Sam Darnold is an absolute bust. 

[southtown24th]

This should read: FOR SAM BEING A TERRIBLE NFL QB, WHO DO YOU BLAME?

That would be more accurate.

[DJF71]

100% Jets!!

[Integrity28]

1 hour ago, Gastineau Lives said:

Out of Jackson, Allen, Mayfield, Darnold we somehow drafted the worst one while drafting the most highly touted. We also had the worst possible place for a QB to start his career than the others by far. Not saying it's not on Sam, but it makes you think, at least.

There’s a reason we haven’t found a QB in the draft since Namath... and it’s not Sam’s fault.

[The Crusher]

Just now, Integrity28 said:

There’s a reason we haven’t found a QB in the draft since Namath... and it’s not Sam’s fault.

Yes it is . 

[Jet_Engine1]

Yes.

[AtticusGase]

I don’t understand what happened to him this season. He was functionally bad his first two years, but not like this. 
 

Not sure if he changed his mechanics in the offseason, but he is an absolute mess. 

[#27TheDominator]

I blame both, but I don't feel bad for either.  I will tell you who I feel bad for, us!

[AtticusGase]

2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

I blame both, but I don't feel bad for either.  I will tell you who I feel bad for, us!

I absolutely feel bad for Sam. Seems like a great kid, and I know everyone really wanted it to workout here. Just sucks. 

[adb280z]

The Jets did nothing to help Sam.

 

Sam hasn't seemed to learn anything about proper QB play.

 

 

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

4 minutes ago, AtticusGase said:

I absolutely feel bad for Sam. Seems like a great kid

He's neither great nor a kid and he doesn't feel bad for you.

[Jet hustle]

If Sam Darnold wanted to be a jet for life, he would have went to ownership and got the coach fired....   Darnold has been drinking the Gase kool aid ...  he deserves to be out along with Gase

[#27TheDominator]

11 minutes ago, AtticusGase said:

I absolutely feel bad for Sam. Seems like a great kid, and I know everyone really wanted it to workout here. Just sucks. 

Somewhere Manish Mehta is trying to figure out the name of Sam's family member that he will use for a burner twitter account saying "I'm rich as ****!"

[peebag]

Just wait until the next messiah at qb steps up and falls flat.

This org sucks donkey balls

[oatmeal]

Not a fair poll at all so I won’t vote. BOTH is clearly missing and I think that’s  purposefully ?‍♂️

[Lizard King]

Generally the organization, this place will make Trevor Lawrence look bad. 

[LockeJET]

Gase is garbage but he took the Dolphins to the playoffs one year. Ryan T wasn't great but he wasn't Sam bad. You saw flashes and he made plays. Sam is a bust and won't be good wherever he goes. His flaws were also issues at USC. He can't read defenses, hence the terrible picks and stupid throws, has no pre snap awareness, terrible deep ball, terrible footwork, terrible arm angles and is not s smart QB as he holds on to the ball to long and doesn't know when to throw it away. His issues are much deeper than coaching or weapons. When you are 0-13 everyone is at fault but make no mistake about it, Sam is a bust! Franchise QBs find a way to the top regardless of coaching or weapons. It's Sad it didn't work out here and I hope he can find his way but he's just not good. Might become serviceable but never will be a top 10-15 guy. So as a 3rd overall pick he's a failure. 

[Jets81]

Even if you blame Darnold, the Jets picked him, soooo...