Stats to think about

[Jet_Engine1]

Att:495

Comp:335

Comp %: 67.3

Yards: 3,852

TDs: 26

Ints: 12

 

What Stats are those? Those are DeShaun Watsons, in his statistically WORST year as Full Time starter, in 2019 (15 Games Played).

 

That is his "floor". There is another board elsewhere on the internet where the posters are all saying Watson "isn't elite". LOL. Thats a joke. If Darnold had numbers even approaching those in the last 3 years, we'd be convinced we had our FQB. Those numbers represent Watsons FLOOR. Let that sink in. 

 

Watsons FLOOR is essentially what we HOPE is what Sam turns into. That's absurd. 

 

I've seen how Watsons playoff record of 1-2 has been criticized. In 2019, Watson playoff stats are:

2 Games, 635 yards (62% Comp), 8.2 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 picks, and 2 rushing TDs for a QBR of 104.6. Yeah, Watson wasn't the problem. LOL.

 

Wilson is an unknown.  Fields is meh. Lance is an enigma. Mac Jones and Kyle Trask have "Career Backup" written all over them. 

 

If its possible, for a not outlandish cost, its kind of a no-brainer. 

 

 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Att:495

Comp:335

Comp %: 67.3

Yards: 3,852

TDs: 26

Ints: 12

 

What Stats are those? Those are DeShaun Watsons, in his statistically WORST year as Full Time starter, in 2019 (15 Games Played).

 

That is his "floor". There is another board elsewhere on the internet where the posters are all saying Watson "isn't elite". LOL. Thats a joke. If Darnold had numbers even approaching those in the last 3 years, we'd be convinced we had our FQB. Those numbers represent Watsons FLOOR. Let that sink in. 

 

Watsons FLOOR is essentially what we HOPE is what Sam turns into. That's absurd. 

 

I've seen how Watsons playoff record of 1-2 has been criticized. In 2019, Watson playoff stats are:

2 Games, 635 yards (62% Comp), 8.2 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 picks, and 2 rushing TDs for a QBR of 104.6. Yeah, Watson wasn't the problem. LOL.

 

Wilson is an unknown.  Fields is meh. Lance is an enigma. Mac Jones and Kyle Trask have "Career Backup" written all over them. 

 

If its possible, for a not outlandish cost, its kind of a no-brainer. 

 

 

I don’t see how there’s any way, if you’re Saleh and Douglas, you don’t find the Watson option 1000x more preferable to literally any other option, even with the cost. 

[Untouchable]

Sure

If the Jets can get Watson for something like #2 overall and a 1st round pick in 2022 and 2023 like Daniel Jeremiah has proposed, then you pull the trigger without thinking twice.

Problem is, I think at the end of the day this is mostly media driven about Watson being done in Houston.

I fully expect the Jets to roll with Darnold, bring in a veteran like Dalton or someone to push him, and trade down from #2 with some team dead-set on obtaining Sewell or one of the QB’s.

[Beerfish]

Deshaun Watson is a great QB, he is a franchise QB = TRUE

Deshaun Watson on a poor team had 4 wins last year = TRUE

NY Jets have poor talent = TRUE

Four out of the top 8 passing QBs missed the playoffs last year = TRUE

There is no question that Deshaun Watson is a great QB, there is no doubt he is a highly desirable player.

It ALL depends on the cost to get him.

(I for one don;t think he is going to be up for trade and we are all wasting a lot of breath on these threads.)

[ScarletKnight89]

After Patrick Mahomes, what other QB in the league right now would you take to build your team with over DeShaun Watson? I don't think I can think of another. Rodgers is 37, Wilson is 32, I'd take Watson over Josh Allen. 

If the Jets have a chance to get Watson, they need to go for it.

[playtowinthegame]

JD when hearing Jets fans want to trade his precious 1st rd picks for Watson.

[peekskill68]

17 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

If its possible, for a not outlandish cost, its kind of a no-brainer. 

 

The debate has never been about Watson's talent.  It's always been about cost.  I don't think anybody defending Sam (including me) would have a problem trading for Watson if JD can negotiate an attractive deal...

[Lith]

I tend to agree with those who are skeptical that he will be traded.  You don't give up 25 year old NFL top 10 franchise QBs in this league.  I will beleive it when I see it.  And I would love to see it.  Texans sucked this year, but the guy has had 3 seasons as a starter and made the playoffs, winning his Division twce.  His presence would probably help us sign a Robinson/Godwin/Golladay type. 

If we have to part with three 1s, I am willing to do it.  But I don't think it is gonna happen.

[genot]

15 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

Deshaun Watson is a great QB, he is a franchise QB = TRUE

Deshaun Watson on a poor team had 4 wins last year = TRUE

NY Jets have poor talent = TRUE

Four out of the top 8 passing QBs missed the playoffs last year = TRUE

There is no question that Deshaun Watson is a great QB, there is no doubt he is a highly desirable player.

It ALL depends on the cost to get him.

(I for one don;t think he is going to be up for trade and we are all wasting a lot of breath on these threads.)

Watson played in a shotgun offense in Houston, and still he' s been one of the most sacked QB'S the last 4 years. He'd be under center here, most of the time. Also with a run option system, you have to at least to a small degree consider that he's had two reconstructive knee surgery's. He's been a great player in that system, but trading so much too get him, you'd have to consider everything.

[RedBeardedSavage]

I'm all about trading for Watson. I don't understand how anyone wouldn't be interested. But I completely understand those that acknowledge we have a bad team and the price is the most important factor here. 

[jetsons]

5 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Att:495

Comp:335

Comp %: 67.3

Yards: 3,852

TDs: 26

Ints: 12

 

What Stats are those? Those are DeShaun Watsons, in his statistically WORST year as Full Time starter, in 2019 (15 Games Played).

 

That is his "floor". There is another board elsewhere on the internet where the posters are all saying Watson "isn't elite". LOL. Thats a joke. If Darnold had numbers even approaching those in the last 3 years, we'd be convinced we had our FQB. Those numbers represent Watsons FLOOR. Let that sink in. 

 

Watsons FLOOR is essentially what we HOPE is what Sam turns into. That's absurd. 

 

I've seen how Watsons playoff record of 1-2 has been criticized. In 2019, Watson playoff stats are:

2 Games, 635 yards (62% Comp), 8.2 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 picks, and 2 rushing TDs for a QBR of 104.6. Yeah, Watson wasn't the problem. LOL.

 

Wilson is an unknown.  Fields is meh. Lance is an enigma. Mac Jones and Kyle Trask have "Career Backup" written all over them. 

 

If its possible, for a not outlandish cost, its kind of a no-brainer. 

 

 

and he was 4-12 last year with the texans... in a year in which he played statistically better than above... You NEED to Build The TEAM...  1 player will Not Do Anything for the jets.

[LionelRichie]

9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t see how there’s any way, if you’re Saleh and Douglas, you don’t find the Watson option 1000x more preferable to literally any other option, even with the cost. 

Watson would have to redo his contract or it’s a non-starter.   
 

13% of the salary cap seems to be magic #.  Anything over that and teams are too constrained to win it all.   Mahomes new deal doesn’t kick in for another year, will be interesting to see what happens to KC when they can’t afford to pay anyone except mahomes. 

[pointman]

Darnold throws 2000 yards. Two. Thousand. Watson would be great. If not, its ok. Give me Fields or Wilson. I can't watch another 2,000 passing yard season. I can't. 

[pointman]

9 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Deshaun Watson is a great QB, he is a franchise QB = TRUE

Deshaun Watson on a poor team had 4 wins last year = TRUE

NY Jets have poor talent = TRUE

Four out of the top 8 passing QBs missed the playoffs last year = TRUE

There is no question that Deshaun Watson is a great QB, there is no doubt he is a highly desirable player.

It ALL depends on the cost to get him.

(I for one don;t think he is going to be up for trade and we are all wasting a lot of breath on these threads.)

No trade clause says Watson picks who the Texans can deal with. Texans have to take what they can from who he says. 2 of our first rounds picks are "free" from the Jamal trade. Jamal plus what is a good deal for a franchise quarterback? 

[shuler82]

4 hours ago, jetsons said:

and he was 4-12 last year with the texans... in a year in which he played statistically better than above... You NEED to Build The TEAM...  1 player will Not Do Anything for the jets.

Adding a 25 year old franchise QB IS building the team.

 I can’t believe we have so many people here against this. It’s the most no-brainer thing the Jets could do. 

[Jetsfan80]

26 minutes ago, pointman said:

Darnold throws 2000 yards. Two. Thousand. Watson would be great. If not, its ok. Give me Fields or Wilson. I can't watch another 2,000 passing yard season. I can't. 

Darnold 300+ yard games, career:  4

Watson 300-yard games:  20

Justin Herbert 300-yard games:  8

Joe Burrow 300-yard games:  5 (in just 10 games played)

Tua Tagovailoa 300-yard games:  2 (in just 9 starts)

 

Oh, and also, Brandon Allen (3rd string QB for the Bengals) threw for 371 yards in Week 16 of the past season.  More than Darnold has thrown for in any game of his career (341).

And Taylor Heinicke threw for 300+, in a playoff game, in his 2nd career start.

[derp]

Maybe they’ll surprise me if they trade him, but I don’t Houston can get fair value for a 25 year old franchise QB signed to a reasonable contract. There’s no precedent. This would be like those NBA superstar deals where teams just get what they can.

Houston has also made horrifically bad trades over the last couple of years and will have little to no leverage and Douglas has consistently done better than fans expect. The number two pick is also a way more valuable trade chip than gets discussed in the comparisons to the Adams or Ramsey trades.

[Bocajetfan]

9 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Deshaun Watson is a great QB, he is a franchise QB = TRUE

Deshaun Watson on a poor team had 4 wins last year = TRUE

NY Jets have poor talent = TRUE

Four out of the top 8 passing QBs missed the playoffs last year = TRUE

There is no question that Deshaun Watson is a great QB, there is no doubt he is a highly desirable player.

It ALL depends on the cost to get him.

(I for one don;t think he is going to be up for trade and we are all wasting a lot of breath on these threads.)

More like getting corporal tunnel ?

[jbt]

[kevinc855]

5 hours ago, jetsons said:

and he was 4-12 last year with the texans... in a year in which he played statistically better than above... You NEED to Build The TEAM...  1 player will Not Do Anything for the jets.

I had to endure a season of Jet fans rooting for our opponents because 1 QB was gona change the team.....

What happened? 

[jgb]

11 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Att:495

Comp:335

Comp %: 67.3

Yards: 3,852

TDs: 26

Ints: 12

 

What Stats are those? Those are DeShaun Watsons, in his statistically WORST year as Full Time starter, in 2019 (15 Games Played).

 

That is his "floor". There is another board elsewhere on the internet where the posters are all saying Watson "isn't elite". LOL. Thats a joke. If Darnold had numbers even approaching those in the last 3 years, we'd be convinced we had our FQB. Those numbers represent Watsons FLOOR. Let that sink in. 

 

Watsons FLOOR is essentially what we HOPE is what Sam turns into. That's absurd. 

 

I've seen how Watsons playoff record of 1-2 has been criticized. In 2019, Watson playoff stats are:

2 Games, 635 yards (62% Comp), 8.2 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 picks, and 2 rushing TDs for a QBR of 104.6. Yeah, Watson wasn't the problem. LOL.

 

Wilson is an unknown.  Fields is meh. Lance is an enigma. Mac Jones and Kyle Trask have "Career Backup" written all over them. 

 

If its possible, for a not outlandish cost, its kind of a no-brainer. 

 

 

If Darnold had Minshew, Tua, Mariota, Fitzpatrick, Trubisky numbers — all guys that are scoffed at as jokes here — we’d be convinced we had our FQB.

[RSJ]

I am glad you brought up stats. Last year what were his stats in garbage time? If you take those away what do his stats look like. I personally dont care what his stats were when he had the best WR in football on his team.


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[pointman]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Darnold 300+ yard games, career:  4

Watson 300-yard games:  20

Justin Herbert 300-yard games:  8

Joe Burrow 300-yard games:  5 (in just 10 games played)

Tua Tagovailoa 300-yard games:  2 (in just 9 starts)

 

Oh, and also, Brandon Allen (3rd string QB for the Bengals) threw for 371 yards in Week 16 of the past season.  More than Darnold has thrown for in any game of his career (341).

And Taylor Heinicke threw for 300+, in a playoff game, in his 2nd career start.

Damn. That is depressing. I want to retire on behalf of Sam.

[32EBoozer]

11 hours ago, Lith said:

I tend to agree with those who are skeptical that he will be traded.  You don't give up 25 year old NFL top 10 franchise QBs in this league.  I will beleive it when I see it.  And I would love to see it.  Texans sucked this year, but the guy has had 3 seasons as a starter and made the playoffs, winning his Division twce.  His presence would probably help us sign a Robinson/Godwin/Golladay type. 

If we have to part with three 1s, I am willing to do it.  But I don't think it is gonna happen.

 

2 hours ago, LionelRichie said:

Watson would have to redo his contract or it’s a non-starter.   
 

13% of the salary cap seems to be magic #.  Anything over that and teams are too constrained to win it all.   Mahomes new deal doesn’t kick in for another year, will be interesting to see what happens to KC when they can’t afford to pay anyone except mahomes. 

Above 13% is ok when you are drafting well and keeping the young cheap players coming through the system. If your chasing FA that’s when too many players are earning 5-8% of the cap

[jgb]

1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Darnold 300+ yard games, career:  4

Watson 300-yard games:  20

Justin Herbert 300-yard games:  8

Joe Burrow 300-yard games:  5 (in just 10 games played)

Tua Tagovailoa 300-yard games:  2 (in just 9 starts)

 

Oh, and also, Brandon Allen (3rd string QB for the Bengals) threw for 371 yards in Week 16 of the past season.  More than Darnold has thrown for in any game of his career (341).

And Taylor Heinicke threw for 300+, in a playoff game, in his 2nd career start.

Woeepinz

[Maxman]

14 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Att:495

Comp:335

Comp %: 67.3

Yards: 3,852

TDs: 26

Ints: 12

 

What Stats are those? Those are DeShaun Watsons, in his statistically WORST year as Full Time starter, in 2019 (15 Games Played).

 

That is his "floor". There is another board elsewhere on the internet where the posters are all saying Watson "isn't elite". LOL. Thats a joke. If Darnold had numbers even approaching those in the last 3 years, we'd be convinced we had our FQB. Those numbers represent Watsons FLOOR. Let that sink in. 

 

Watsons FLOOR is essentially what we HOPE is what Sam turns into. That's absurd. 

 

I've seen how Watsons playoff record of 1-2 has been criticized. In 2019, Watson playoff stats are:

2 Games, 635 yards (62% Comp), 8.2 YPA, 3 TDs, 0 picks, and 2 rushing TDs for a QBR of 104.6. Yeah, Watson wasn't the problem. LOL.

 

Wilson is an unknown.  Fields is meh. Lance is an enigma. Mac Jones and Kyle Trask have "Career Backup" written all over them. 

 

If its possible, for a not outlandish cost, its kind of a no-brainer. 

 

 

I spent an hour the other day just staring at his numbers. TD \ INT ratio doesn't tell the whole story, but when I do what you just did -- start at the floor, you can usually figure out the upside. Matthew Stafford is hard to figure out but how much of that is the Lions? His year 3 was off the charts but never got back to that 40 TD level. Still very good.

But, to your point, Watson's ceiling is unthinkable because his floor is better than any of us can comprehend.

When you add another 500 rushing yards a season and 5 rushing TDs, none of us have ever seen QB play like this here. Nothing close.

If I am Joe Douglas I am trading for Watson, 3 # 1 picks, here you go. And I am signing Allen Robinson. Go get Thuney in free agency and a CB with the 1st pick in round 2.

They could have a practice squad running back get 1,000 yards in this system, with Watson at QB and that OLine.

[Maxman]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Darnold 300+ yard games, career:  4

Watson 300-yard games:  20

Justin Herbert 300-yard games:  8

Joe Burrow 300-yard games:  5 (in just 10 games played)

Tua Tagovailoa 300-yard games:  2 (in just 9 starts)

 

Oh, and also, Brandon Allen (3rd string QB for the Bengals) threw for 371 yards in Week 16 of the past season.  More than Darnold has thrown for in any game of his career (341).

And Taylor Heinicke threw for 300+, in a playoff game, in his 2nd career start.

This is the biggest reason I want to move on from Sam. I was certain they were getting a gun slinger and the INTs that he throws does match that mentality. I am not sure what happened but the other side of that is gone. The deep ball accuracy is a HUGE concern. How much Gase ruined him is a huge concern.

Darnold is basically a game manager and the upside isn't that encouraging at the moment. I don't think the Jets did him any favors but it all is what it is at this point in time.

[Creepy Lurker]

If I got to redo the 2017 draft again, here’s what I’d do. Draft Jamal Adams and have hope in Christian Hackenberg. AAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

[SAR I]

20 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I don’t see how there’s any way, if you’re Saleh and Douglas, you don’t find the Watson option 1000x more preferable to literally any other option, even with the cost. 

SAR I

[BettyBoop]

49 minutes ago, SAR I said:

SAR I

Just can’t get enough of this one.

 

[The Crusher]

16 hours ago, jetsons said:

and he was 4-12 last year with the texans... in a year in which he played statistically better than above... You NEED to Build The TEAM...  1 player will Not Do Anything for the jets.

Maybe or maybe not but it would be fun to watch the Jets try and build a team around a top 5 QB, like for once. 

[68JET11]

12 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

I had to endure a season of Jet fans rooting for our opponents because 1 QB was gona change the team.....

What happened? 

He wasn't going to cost us 3 1st's plus, whatever lol... He would have been our pick at #1. That's a BIG difference.

[Jetster]

He always played great vs the Patriots even though he was outmanned & coached by that idiot Bill Obrien. 

[jgb]

On 1/24/2021 at 4:07 AM, kevinc855 said:

I had to endure a season of Jet fans rooting for our opponents because 1 QB was gona change the team.....

What happened? 

Yeah what kind of fools didn’t anticipate a top 5 QB in his prime possibly becoming available for the first time in NFL history when they formed their initial opinion about what the Jets should do in the draft.