Has Joe Douglas drafted anyone better than Jamal Adams?

[Jet Nut]

Problem is the media likes loud mouths who draw attention to themselves, fall for it every time.  

Jamal isnt as good as King thinks.  The list above is of players all of which make more of an impact than Jamal ever did.  They just dont proclaim that theyre best in the nation or call themselves Prez

[Coffee Is Great]

37 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said:

AVT is a better football player than Jamal Adams right now, has a higher ceiling and plays a more important position.

 

100% true. 

[doitny]

52 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Didn’t you just post this somewhere else 

no, that one included FAs, what he eat for breakfast. how bad his farts smell. 

kevin has many different variations of the same thing.

[doitny]

first off as previously mention by many here. Jamal wasn't worth 2 picks anyway. 

and second, if you want to be fair Kev or King or whoever, JD earliest draft has only played 1 1/2 years. at the same point in Jamal career we wouldn't get even one 1st rd pick for him. he really took off in year 3.

we all know the 2020 draft wasnt so great. ok lets fire JD for that. no more chances right? cause the 2021 has some nice looking guys. yes its early, just like it was early every other week when we Judge these draft picks for better or for worst.

so when comparing some of those nice looking but to early to tell 2021 picks keep in mind that after Jamals first 10 games...hell his 1st season he looked about as ok as they do.

 

[jgb]

Pathetically it can both be true that Jamal was the best Jets draft pick in 5 years but that he is also a drastically over-rated team-killer.

[The Crusher]

38 minutes ago, Pac said:

JD has been a disaster and no..  he hasn't drafted anyone as good as Jamal yet.  Not sure how this can even be disputed.

Let's hope some of these guys work out because the last couple years are worse than anything I've ever seen in 35 years of jet fandom.

Certainly Jamal’s first couple years. Guy was fun to watch. But the way he is playing now? Any of those players could turn into a better player by then. 

[IndianaJet]

2 hours ago, GloryDays1985 said:

Peter King made this point on Costello’s podcast yesterday. JD is yet to land a foundational piece in the draft (aside from Wilson who is a complete unknown). 
 

Becton, Moore, MC/2, Hall, AVT may be good players one day, but are any of them a JamALL Pro? Someone you can flip for multiple first rounders. 

Research and provide me a list of GMs who have drafted an All Pro player in their first two drafts as well as the list of GMs who have not, so I can determine if this is a valid criticism.

Have it on my desk by 3 p.m. today.

[nickfoshizal]

Well first of all Jamal is ass and has always been ass, so yes shockingly we have if you base it on actual talent and not name recognition/ a few undeserved all pros. Avt is a better guard than Jamal a safety, I’ll take Mike Carter at rb over Jamal at safety, Becton when healthy is a better LT than Jamal a safety, and they both only show up for a game or two a year anyways regardless of how healthy Jamal is. Now should we actually compare Macc and Jds first two drafts cuz Jamal wasn’t selected until maccs third anyways. I’m 99.9% sure about JD being trash at this point, but come on we gave macc enough time to throw sh*t at the wall so people can make stupid threads like this, if we fire jd now after giving him a “6 year” deal, no one will ever in the history of this godforsaken planet risk taking this job ever again. The only way this team can possibly be fixed in a short span would be signing multiple young free agents that outperform their contracts, sprinkled with a few hard nosed vets to show the kids how it’s done. Actually make a good enough foundation that we can at least develop our draft picks, which isn’t hard and shouldn’t take very long. Instead of just throwing rookies into the fire and saying “this is gonna become a core one day.”

[Alka]

2 hours ago, JTJet said:

Jamal Adams wasnt even worth multiple first rounders anyways. 

So this point is moot. 

Just to add my 2 cents to your thought, when you are drafting #6 pick of the first round, a safety should never be the pick.  Cornerback, QB, offensive tackle, game changing wide receiver, elite pass rusher, should all be positions ahead of safety.  To add to that, while Jamal was a solid player, he doesn't help with in a significant way to turnovers, which would add to his value. 

The fact is that Seattle is having buyers remorse, and that just adds to the fact that Peter King is a "blow hard".

[undertow]

Peter King is a obese moron but it's good to see the narratives sounding JD changing the guy got way too much love for accomplishing nothing.

[Patriot Killa]

15 minutes ago, doitny said:

cause the 2021 has some nice looking guys. yes its early, just like it was early every other week when we Judge these draft picks for better or for worst.

Yeah, it does. And I’d argue Kev is also watering down some things to aid his side of the argument as well lol.

not saying MC has been absolutely great, but he’s been more than a rotational back. He almost never goes down after first contact, he can catch out of the backfield, no complaints about his vision, he’s got this MJD level of gravity being smaller that makes for good balance as a ball carrier, he keeps his legs moving. I like the kid. Every down back.

Also just because Hall or MC2 don’t have any INT’s doesn’t mean they aren’t doing their jobs well.

“Strictly manning the slot for the Jets this season (Carter II has played outside cornerback on only two of his 426 defensive snaps), Carter II has been frequently challenged by opponents but is doing a good job of answering the call and preventing big plays.

Giving up 319 yards on 31 completions, Carter II has allowed 10.3 yards per reception this season, which ranks at the 76th percentile among qualified cornerbacks.

Only 14 of the 31 passes completed against Carter II’s coverage went for a conversion (first down or touchdown). That is a rate of 45.2%, which is strong. For reference, 53.7% of all passes completed league-wide this season have gone for a conversion.“

“Run defense has also been a positive for Carter II. He is one of the only players on the team who is consistently executing his role against the run.

“Carter II is tied for eighth among cornerbacks with five run stops (tackles on plays that constitute a poor result for the offense) and ranks fifth with 15 total tackles against the run.”

“When you re-watch the Jets’ run defense in search of culprits for missed opportunities, do not expect to see Carter II often. He has only missed one tackle against the run this season. That gives him a missed tackle rate of 6.3% as a run defender, which is sixth-best out of the 25 cornerbacks with at least 10 total tackles against the run.”

“Carter II has four pass breakups, three tackles for loss, two fumble recoveries, and a quarterback hit. The Jets have used him fairly often as a blitzer: he is tied for seventh among cornerbacks with 19 pass-rush snaps and has produced three pressures.”

There isn’t much going right for the Jets’ defense right now, but fans should at least feel confident that their team has found its long-term slot cornerback.”

https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/11/18/michael-carter-rapid-ascension-ny-jets/

[jgb]

2 minutes ago, undertow said:

Peter King is a obese moron but it's good to see the narratives sounding JD changing the guy got way too much love for accomplishing nothing.

I mean he's not fit but "obese" isn't even on the list of zings I'd aim at Peter King.

[Patriot Killa]

 

[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

It appears that the Carters' Squared are two good draft picks. 

[Irish Jet]

8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

 

We were insanely lucky that Carter was there.

[jgb]

8 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

 

A clean spot on a soiled diaper

[Sonny Werblin]

I've got to say, I find this to be an absolutely absurd proposition. JD has had 2 drafts. The players drafted in the second draft have played half a season. And the measure by which you would evaluate JD is whether in his 2 drafts he has landed a foundational player! So, every 2 drafts a GM must land a foundational player, or he is a failure? This is the height of stupidity. And I haven't even discussed what in the holy F#ck do they mean by foundational player? Is the standard Jamal Adams? He is a one dimensional safety. Can that seriously be the measure?

BTW, after half a season, AVT does appear to be a "foundational player", by any definition of that term.

[slimjasi]

12 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

 

Early jersey candidate for me and I haven't bought a player's jersey in a long time. 

[doitny]

11 minutes ago, Patriot Killa said:

Yeah, it does. And I’d argue Kev is also watering down some things to aid his side of the argument as well lol.

not saying MC has been absolutely great, but he’s been more than a rotational back. He almost never goes down after first contact, he can catch out of the backfield, no complaints about his vision, he’s got this MJD level of gravity being smaller that makes for good balance as a ball carrier, he keeps his legs moving. I like the kid. Every down back.

Also just because Hall or MC2 don’t have any INT’s doesn’t mean they aren’t doing their jobs well.

“Strictly manning the slot for the Jets this season (Carter II has played outside cornerback on only two of his 426 defensive snaps), Carter II has been frequently challenged by opponents but is doing a good job of answering the call and preventing big plays.

Giving up 319 yards on 31 completions, Carter II has allowed 10.3 yards per reception this season, which ranks at the 76th percentile among qualified cornerbacks.

Only 14 of the 31 passes completed against Carter II’s coverage went for a conversion (first down or touchdown). That is a rate of 45.2%, which is strong. For reference, 53.7% of all passes completed league-wide this season have gone for a conversion.“

“Run defense has also been a positive for Carter II. He is one of the only players on the team who is consistently executing his role against the run.

“Carter II is tied for eighth among cornerbacks with five run stops (tackles on plays that constitute a poor result for the offense) and ranks fifth with 15 total tackles against the run.”

“When you re-watch the Jets’ run defense in search of culprits for missed opportunities, do not expect to see Carter II often. He has only missed one tackle against the run this season. That gives him a missed tackle rate of 6.3% as a run defender, which is sixth-best out of the 25 cornerbacks with at least 10 total tackles against the run.”

“Carter II has four pass breakups, three tackles for loss, two fumble recoveries, and a quarterback hit. The Jets have used him fairly often as a blitzer: he is tied for seventh among cornerbacks with 19 pass-rush snaps and has produced three pressures.”

There isn’t much going right for the Jets’ defense right now, but fans should at least feel confident that their team has found its long-term slot cornerback.”

https://jetsxfactor.com/2021/11/18/michael-carter-rapid-ascension-ny-jets/

yeah these Carters are looking real good.

and Ashtyn is looking good last few games. 3 FF in 2 games. getting pretty high PFF ratings. 

we got some nice young pieces. add next years draft where JD could add 4-5 more and we could be running next year to the playoffs. it all depends on Wilson.

[Randy Rasmussen]

Hey Jamal Adams has as many INTs as Vince Wilfork


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[TheNuuFaaolaExperience]

13 minutes ago, doitny said:

yeah these Carters are looking real good.

and Ashtyn is looking good last few games. 3 FF in 2 games. getting pretty high PFF ratings. 

we got some nice young pieces. add next years draft where JD could add 4-5 more and we could be running next year to the playoffs. it all depends on Wilson.

Davis is talented and has shown that he can play. His downfall is lack of consistency. He's one of those players that will eventually find his way, and I hope that it's when he is a New York Jet.

[Jet_Engine1]

3 hours ago, GloryDays1985 said:

It was a good listen. King is an NFL insider and mentioned the league is alarmed at the way Saleh has this team playing the last few weeks. 

Peter King is a garbage person. 

[JoJoTownsell1]

3 hours ago, GloryDays1985 said:

Peter King made this point on Costello’s podcast yesterday. JD is yet to land a foundational piece in the draft (aside from Wilson who is a complete unknown). 
 

Becton, Moore, MC/2, Hall, AVT may be good players one day, but are any of them a JamALL Pro? Someone you can flip for multiple first rounders. 

The thesis behind the hate for Jamal Adams and the draft pick used on Adams is that the value of a safety, especially one that isn't good in coverage and gets zero INTs is that no matter how good he plays, he isn't worth a top 10 pick. 

It's why he dropped to us in the first place. It's also why interior DL like Leonard Williams fell to us and why Quinnen fell to us also. These are really good players, but they will never be as valuable as an edge rusher, WR or CB. 

So I would much rather have Becton, AVT and Wilson over Jamal Adams (even if there all the same age). In fact, I wouldn't even consider trading Elijah Moore for Adams. 

[Pac]

55 minutes ago, The Crusher said:

Certainly Jamal’s first couple years. Guy was fun to watch. But the way he is playing now? Any of those players could turn into a better player by then. 

I haven't paid attention but I know he's had some lingering health issues.  If he has a bad year next year its a trend..  if its just this year its just a subpar season.  

[jgb]

9 minutes ago, TheNuuFaaolaExperience said:

Davis is talented and has shown that he can play. His downfall is lack of consistency. He's one of those players that will eventually find his way, and I hope that it's when he is a New York Jet.

Consistency is the most important talent at this level.

7 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Peter King is a garbage person. 

You don't think Rich Eisen or Chris Berman would be giddy little school girls if the Jets enjoyed a 20 year dynasty unparalleled in sport?

[ZachEY]

8 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Peter King is a garbage person. 

Met him on a couple of occasions... Absolutely untrue.

[The Crusher]

4 minutes ago, Pac said:

I haven't paid attention but I know he's had some lingering health issues.  If he has a bad year next year its a trend..  if its just this year its just a subpar season.  

Maybe, but looks like he got dinged up last year and got paid this year and going hard may hurt a little too much with all zeros in his bank account at this point . Time will tell. 

[jgb]

Just now, ZachEY said:

Met him on a couple of occasions... Absolutely untrue.

Well we Jet fans would never express uncontained ecstasy or lord over our division rivals if the shoe was on the other foot!

[varjet]

JD is responsible for building this football team.   As such, he said he was going to build in the trenches, which was the right thing to say.

He has had two full off seasons.  The trenches are still not completely built, and that has directly affected the Jets’ play.

In addition, on offense he needs a QB and WRs, who usually take a year or so to develop.

His draft picks have been a random assortment of players, too many of whom look like busts.  The RBs, S, etc. could have been signed off the street.  At this point his lines should be solid.  Two years in the Buffalo lines were solid.   This appears to be the Mac approach of trying to hit on individual picks rather than building a team.  The Ravens and Eagles did attempt to this right, so you wonder if the problem is JD or the Jets. 

The GM also has to put in place the right coaching.  I think that is also up in the air. 

In the end, I wonder how much different these people are, and what the Jets accomplish by blowing the thing up.  But you also don’t want to stay with a losing proposition too long.   Although I think the coaching can get upgraded in spots, I think the biggest problem is the talent, particularly on defense.  Something needs to change here.   I would bring in Scot M from retirement and see if he can help JD make his draft picks this offseason.  The minimum weight for a 1-3 round draft pick should be 240 pounds.  

[CanadaSteve]

4 hours ago, GloryDays1985 said:

Peter King made this point on Costello’s podcast yesterday. JD is yet to land a foundational piece in the draft (aside from Wilson who is a complete unknown). 
 

Becton, Moore, MC/2, Hall, AVT may be good players one day, but are any of them a JamALL Pro? Someone you can flip for multiple first rounders. 

JESUS CHRIST!  Will ******* Jets fans get over this over-hyped middle of the pack safety who doesn't change the outcome of any games!

You would think this guy has the talent of Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes rolled up into one.  You would think HE would have about 7 rings on his finger by now. 

[More Cowbell]

4 hours ago, GloryDays1985 said:

Peter King didn’t think so. I tend to agree. Don’t see All Pro upside with any of them. 

This is a stupid argument.  Most of the players you mentioned are rookies, or in Becton's case, a total unknown but all have this potential. In Adams second season, nobody would have traded even one first for him.

[#27TheDominator]

4 hours ago, kevinc855 said:

JD stinks....here are his picks 

Becton - Bust (cannot stay on the field, undisciplined)

Mimms - Bust (Can't catch the ball and is dumb)

Davis - Bust ( cant stay on the field, when he is, hes awful in coverage, makes a hit every now and then)

Zuniga - Bust (cant stat on the field, when he does hes a ghost, how many sacks in 2 yearas?)

Morgan - Bust ( hes just bad) 

Perine - Bust (not good, just a rotational piece)

Clark - Bust (cant stay on the field, was not good in his rare appearances)

Hall- Looks like a decent start. Not one INT for the year though.

Mann - Average Punter (not sure why you drain a pick on a punter)

Wilson - Stinks right now. We have no idea how this story ends. Def was not ready for the NFL, this is not debatable. 

AVT - Looks good. Nice pick

Moore - Coming on BUT hes not a Chase or a real game changer yet. Gotta see more

Carter - Rotational guy. Hes alright. 

Sherwood - Bust, complete trash. 

Carter 2- Decent, not one INT yet. 

Pinock - Just another guy'

Nas - Bust, another guy who stinks

Echols - Ehhh, i dont know yet

You aren't going to win championships let alone divisions drafting this way and gutting all veteran talent. This is the most dysfunctional rebuild in the history of time. 

Marshall - Who the **** is that? 

 

Even in this ridiculous thread, this post stands out as ridiculous.   It makes sense to question Douglas.  It doesn't make much sense to go so far overboard that you are ranking rookie 6th round draft picks that start as busts. 

[Hex]

I saw the name Peter King and knew exactly what type of post this was

[DonCorleone]

6 hours ago, oatmeal said:

King is a terrible patriots  a** kisser but he’s correct, can we even name one impact player JD has brought to this team? 

JD may not have done much in terms of drafting an impact player but he has done wonders for the liquor store by my house. He certainly made an impact on my alcohol consumption. 

[jetstream23]

AVT may turn out to be the best, All Pro potential. But he plays just about the least valuable position on the team.