The Jets, Mock Drafts, and Darryl Stingley Jr.

[ChewyandtheJets]

It’s our favorite time of year again.  The one season we actually seem to win a bit before the games start.  So as usual with two top picks I have been checking out the early mock drafts.   For some reason that I can’t quite figure out almost every single draft shows the Jets taking Darryl Stingley Jr at number 4.   And almost all the comments openly state what a great talent he is before pointing out much of the projection was based on 2019 tape and that he barely played in the two years after that.   My question is how does this make any sense?  Is it just trolling the Jets to get a rise out of us fans or do they really believe the Jets are so incompetent that they would take any player with this injury history so high?  I don’t care how bad they think we need a #1 corner (though from all I’ve seen Salah’s system is much more predicated on generating a pass rush to defend the pass) taking a guy with his history of injuries at 4 or even 10 would almost be professional malpractice.

[RedBeardedSavage]

For some strange reason there's a premium valuation placed on cornerbacks in a league that is largely legislating 'tight coverage' out of the league.

[ChewyandtheJets]

I double checked and none of the posts came from John Idzik hoping it would help us forget the Dee Miliner pick.  

[Jethead]

Haven't you heard, CB is a premium position and at #4, can only select from the premium menu.

[section314]

It's also not really understanding the priority that the GM and coaches have historically put on not drafting this position high.

[jetstream23]

Edge, OT or trade down at #4 please. 

[TheClashFan]

No way JD should take Stingley over an edge in the first round.

 

[viffer]

Edge, OT, or WR/TE at #4. We need someone who can catch the ball to determine if Zach can actually throw it.

[Sarge4Tide]

Good player but I'd be a bit disappointed if we took a CB at #4 - at #10, maybe

I honestly think Salah thinks we can get good CBs in the middle rounds - Hall, Eichols, Carter is not a bad start.  Sign a mid-level free agent and use a 4th rounder on a CB, combined with Lawson & Huff coming back and an edge rusher in the top 10 and we might be pretty sporty 

[Doggin94it]

15 minutes ago, viffer said:

Edge, OT, or WR/TE at #4. We need someone who can catch the ball to determine if Zach can actually throw it.

There's no TE who's worth even a sniff of 4 this year; in fact, I doubt there's a TE taken in round 1 at all. WR... I'm no analyst but the reports on this year's group don't make me think any of them are top-5 talents. Seems like a position group that lacks an elite tier, has a reasonable number of "mid-to-late rd 1" guys (some of whom will be overdrafted because of the lack of an elite guy) and then falls off a cliff after Dotson

[RSJ]

If the Jets dont take Stingley they should trade down. He is literally the drop off point at that pick. Any other guys value can be had around pick 9 or 10. The only problem could be if a QB rises.


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[Nixhead]

I won't even look at a mock draft if it has the Jets picking Stingley at #4 - it just shows me that the person doing the mock draft has no idea what they are doing and they simply dont have a clue and its not worth the read. No way in hell Jets go Stingley at 4.

[Mo Lew]

1 hour ago, ChewyandtheJets said:

It’s our favorite time of year again.  The one season we actually seem to win a bit before the games start.  So as usual with two top picks I have been checking out the early mock drafts.   For some reason that I can’t quite figure out almost every single draft shows the Jets taking Darryl Stingley Jr at number 4.   And almost all the comments openly state what a great talent he is before pointing out much of the projection was based on 2019 tape and that he barely played in the two years after that.   My question is how does this make any sense?  Is it just trolling the Jets to get a rise out of us fans or do they really believe the Jets are so incompetent that they would take any player with this injury history so high?  I don’t care how bad they think we need a #1 corner (though from all I’ve seen Salah’s system is much more predicated on generating a pass rush to defend the pass) taking a guy with his history of injuries at 4 or even 10 would almost be professional malpractice.

Is that Dereks brother? 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

41 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Edge, OT or trade down at #4 please. 

So if Hutchison and Thibodeaux and Neal go 1-3, who exactly is trading up?????????  This is what I don't like about the trade down cult.  They always think there is a market for the pick.  With no stand out QBs, trading down is going to be difficult.  

[Peace Frog]

45 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Edge, OT or trade down at #4 please. 

Whilst we’d need a partner, I would absolutely love to trade out of 4. 

There is no one there I have to have. 

Which is why a trade down likely won’t happen. 
 

[Peace Frog]

Just now, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

So if Hutchison and Thibodeaux and Neal go 1-3, who exactly is trading up?????????  This is what I don't like about the trade down cult.  They always think there is a market for the pick.  With no stand out QBs, trading down is going to be difficult.  

Yup. 

[RSJ]

So if Hutchison and Thibodeaux and Neal go 1-3, who exactly is trading up?????????  This is what I don't like about the trade down cult.  They always think there is a market for the pick.  With no stand out QBs, trading down is going to be difficult.  

If that happens the pick is Stingley. He is the only top prospect left. Unless you want a DE who got 4.5 sacks and wonder why you picked Gholston again.


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[Sammybighead]

The people posting these mocks have zero clue about JD and how he works. 

I’d say there is less than a 1% chance he would take a DB at 4.

He’s publicly stated the line of scrimmage and weapons are a priority. He got great value from DBs in 5th round or later. Saleh’s system NEVER needed great DBs, it needs great pass rushers.

These mocks are ignorant and totally informed.

[RSJ]

The people posting these mocks have zero clue about JD and how he works. 
I’d say there is less than a 1% chance he would take a DB at 4.
He’s publicly stated the line of scrimmage and weapons are a priority. He got great value from DBs in 5th round or later. Saleh’s system NEVER needed great DBs, it needs great pass rushers.
These mocks are ignorant and totally informed.

Tell me more about how you think JD works. He never picks shut down corners? Gimme a break dude. Stingley is probably the best prospect in this draft. Ravens love top CBs. JD is from there.


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[Joe W. Namath]

Do not worry.  Stingley is not even on Joe Ds draft board.

[RSJ]

Do not worry.  Stingley is not even on Joe Ds draft board.

The sad part is you are probably right. Each of the top 4 prospects have major holes in their game. But they are all the top 4 available. But JD will probably pick the 4.5 sack guy and wonder why he never sees the field.


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[Beerfish]

Corner is still very important but less so than it once as mainly due to how the nfl calls the rules.

As for Stingley, he would have to have unreal workouts for teams to be comfy picking him that high, almost two years off is very risky.

And despite being take to task for this comment I will repeat it, I think this draft sucks at top end talent.  I hope some team goes qb crazy so we can trade down from 4.

[Copernicus]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

Edge, OT or trade down at #4 please. 

I was on that thought pattern and if we go that way I will not be dissapointed but...........(I posted the following in the Draft Forum)

Starting to really fall in love with Kyle Hamilton. I was totally against this pick a week or so ago but listening to knowledgeable YouTube Jets content has got me rethinking this point . When you have an opportunity to draft a player that experts are saying is the best in the last 20 years you do it in a heartbeat. Double bonus is that we are desperate for help at the safety position.Hamilton could change the way that our defense plays and is so valuable because he can play almost anywhere. Being versatile seems to be right up Joe Douglas is alley. Love this pick at 4 even without a trade down.

Nakobe Dean at #10 appears to be just what we need at linebacker .Fast, ferocious , mean, and hard hitting are  all characteristics that come to mind when I think of this player . We desperately need help at this position as well .

There are a handful of real good edge rushers that should be there at the top of the second round . If Thibodeau and Hutchinson are off the board at #4 I don't think there is a reason to reach for the third rated edge rusher when there is a player being compared to the best safety that has come out in the last 20 years . I just don't think you pass on that . At least that's what I think today

With our second pic in round two we could go Trey McBride at TE, or best available offensive line help.

[Joejet]

46 minutes ago, RSJ said:

 

Tell me more about how you think JD works. He never picks shut down corners? Gimme a break dude. Stingley is probably the best prospect in this draft. Ravens love top CBs. JD is from there.


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The Ravens have picked 2 CBs in the first round in the past 20 years.

[All Gas, No Gase]

59 minutes ago, RSJ said:

 

If that happens the pick is Stingley. He is the only top prospect left. Unless you want a DE who got 4.5 sacks and wonder why you picked Gholston again.


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You really would use your 4th pick on a guy who has been injured 2 out of his 3 seasons in college?

 

[Greenseed4]

1 hour ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

So if Hutchison and Thibodeaux and Neal go 1-3, who exactly is trading up?????????  This is what I don't like about the trade down cult.  They always think there is a market for the pick.  With no stand out QBs, trading down is going to be difficult.  

Just because we don’t need a highly touted CB or Safety to run our defense doesn’t mean other teams don’t value this positions.

I say, keep mocking Darryl Stingley  or Kevin Hamilton to us at #4, so they maintain this perception of top-5 value. 

I would love to trade down with the Saints.  If they trade Lattimore (to get $25M in cap relief) they could  replace him with Stingley; or if they want to trade Jenkins (to get 8.25M) they could replace him with Hamilton. 

And if they want to use Michael Thomas as a trade chip to move up from #18 to #4, they could  get another $15M in relief. 

[xJayce]

59 minutes ago, Joe Willie White Shoes said:

So if Hutchison and Thibodeaux and Neal go 1-3, who exactly is trading up?????????  This is what I don't like about the trade down cult.  They always think there is a market for the pick.  With no stand out QBs, trading down is going to be difficult.  

Weren't experts drooling over Hamilton not too long ago? If he's a generational talent (as some draft sites have stated), why would someone not want to trade up for him?

On a serious note though, the QBs always rise, and a couple of guys will flash at the combine. Not saying that we'd be able to trade out of the 4th for a pair 1st round picks and a 2nd, but there are always opportunities out there for someone to jump the Giants (with new HC / GM coming in, I wouldn't be surprised if they move on from Daniels)... Carolina could prolly go in a different direction at QB, Denver has Bridgewater, but not sure he's the long term solution, New Orleans has Hill and Winston, not sure they are happy with that pairing, and not sure what Pittsburgh is doing next year (though the last two teams are further down the draft board, a trade may not make sense).

[sec101row23]

The people who keep “mocking” Stingley to the Jets are ignoring what Saleh and JD just did in the 2021 draft.  JD drafted 3 CBs Pinnock, MC2 and Echols.   They just spent an entire season developing those young guys, two of which, Echols and MC2, looked decent and progressed.  Why waste all this investment in development only to draft a highly questionable CB prospect 4th overall?  Maybe they draft another one in the later rounds, that seems to be what Saleh likes to do with his CBs.   

[Alka]

1 hour ago, jetstream23 said:

Edge, OT or trade down at #4 please. 

Exactly.  I am assuming that Karlaftis will be available at #4, and the Jets should jump all over him.

From my perspective, there are a lot more good cornerbacks in the league than premium edge rushers, and the Jets are below average in that department.

At #10, if the Jets have not gotten a premium free agent wide receiver, then that must be the pick.  If we got our wide receiver, then offensive line at #10.

As for cornerback, aren't the Jets and fans all very high on Brandon Echols, Michael Carter II, and Bryce at cornerback?  If the Jets want and should add another cornerback, what until round 2 or 3 to do it.  

If the Jets select Stingley Jr. in round 1, I will be profoundly disappointed.

[freestater]

If we pick any DB in the first couple rounds, I'll be pissed. OT, DE, WR, TE. should be the first 4 picks. 

[FidelioJet]

They would likely take Hamilton before Stingley..

but won't do either...

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

1 hour ago, RSJ said:

 

If that happens the pick is Stingley. He is the only top prospect left. Unless you want a DE who got 4.5 sacks and wonder why you picked Gholston again.


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There is nothing wrong with taking somebody else. If the Jets take a player projected to go 6-12 at 4 and he pans out, who cares?  I can't see the Jets taking Stingley at all. It does not make sense on any level - from scheme to position to risk. If people here though Becton was a gamble, Stingley makes Becton look safe and conservative. The guy hasn't played well or at all since 2019. 

[Joe Willie White Shoes]

13 minutes ago, Alka said:

Exactly.  I am assuming that Karlaftis will be available at #4, and the Jets should jump all over him.

From my perspective, there are a lot more good cornerbacks in the league than premium edge rushers, and the Jets are below average in that department.

At #10, if the Jets have not gotten a premium free agent wide receiver, then that must be the pick.  If we got our wide receiver, then offensive line at #10.

As for cornerback, aren't the Jets and fans all very high on Brandon Echols, Michael Carter II, and Bryce at cornerback?  If the Jets want and should add another cornerback, what until round 2 or 3 to do it.  

If the Jets select Stingley Jr. in round 1, I will be profoundly disappointed.

I feel similarly about Karlaftis from what I have been reading.  He seems to be a huge step down from  the top 2 in terms of talent, athleticism, and production.  

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

38 minutes ago, Alka said:

Exactly.  I am assuming that Karlaftis will be available at #4, and the Jets should jump all over him.

From my perspective, there are a lot more good cornerbacks in the league than premium edge rushers, and the Jets are below average in that department.

At #10, if the Jets have not gotten a premium free agent wide receiver, then that must be the pick.  If we got our wide receiver, then offensive line at #10.

As for cornerback, aren't the Jets and fans all very high on Brandon Echols, Michael Carter II, and Bryce at cornerback?  If the Jets want and should add another cornerback, what until round 2 or 3 to do it.  

If the Jets select Stingley Jr. in round 1, I will be profoundly disappointed.

The NFL has implemented rules that make a head hunting Safety (Idzik never got the memo drafting Pryor who never got close enough to the ball to even do that) and a “shut down” Corner OBSOLETE.

When picking that high you have to go with either a potential Play Maker on Offense, or a potential sack artist on D.  Someone who has the potential to change a game on Every single play.

[ScarletKnight89]

The Jets can't afford to take a gamble on a player has hasn't put good play on film since 2019. He's a great athlete and could be a great player at the NFL level. But he's been hurt a lot already. Let someone else take that risk.