CrazyCarl40 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, The Crimson King said: Guess this pays the Giants back for stealing Geno last year Stealing Geno? You can’t steal from the dumpster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mphtrilogy Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 slick move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 37 minutes ago, slats said: He cleared waivers, right? His former contract wouldn't be in play here. Probably just had competition from other teams that wanted him on their practice squads. Is it the minimum for a player with his years of service? Probably the number he would have gotten on someones 53 man roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelenOfTroy Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Sam is familiar with him as well, so there is a relationship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, rangerous said: this is a good move. the giants move is such a head scratcher considering the guy they replaced him with is a 7 team journeyman. This is what happens when you change regimes.......Webb means NOTHING to Gettleman and Schurmur. They had nothing to do w/drafting him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: Ouch. I feel bad because you probably know who the Bengals practice squad QB is, but I'm not sure everyone else does. I actually think Wolford might be a better choice for straight backup QB, but Webb certainly has a better chance of becoming a starter and/or getting something back in trade. The Giants were offering him up to Oakland (which is why they carried 4 QBs for a bit) but Oakland went with McCarron instead. I think the player can refuse to sign but the team cannot block a player from leaving their practice squad. Not really. The top 51 salaries count against the cap. If Webb isn't in our top 51 he doesn't count at all. If he is, we will only lose at most 200K or so, since that is what the absolute bottom of the barrel guys make. I think $480K is the least. EDIT: Spotrac has him at $605K. That would put him in the top 51, but he would only cost an additional $125K against the cap over our minimum guys (think Fatukasi/Ben Braden) who make $480K. We have over $700K in dead money to Hackenberg and $600K to Devin Smith, so I would call the amount inconsequential. I think the top 51 applies to offseason. Obviously there is no PS in the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 13 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said: I think the player can refuse to sign but the team cannot block a player from leaving their practice squad. correct. my examples were what a team can tell (do for) the player/agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lith Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 minute ago, C Mart said: I think the top 51 applies to offseason. Obviously there is no PS in the offseason. Yup. Top 51 is just offseason. All salaries count now, IR, Practice squad, 53 man roster. It all counts. Top 51 is offseason cap to allow teams to carry 90 guys without worrying about exceeding cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Good, solid, logical move. Plus it's a nice kick in the balls to the Giants. Like what we're doing with out roster this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Greenseed4 said: Good move. I had nothing against Wolford, but come on. Who would have thunk we would have gotten both Darnold and Webb from the Giants? “ Thank you Big Blew.” Bwahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 in what scenario is Davis Webb seeing the field a good outcome? follow up question did anyone else notice they are paying him a full player's salary to be on the psquad? They won the bidding war for Josh McCown too. This is how they are getting above the salary floor. By paying money to QBs we all hope will never play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 28 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Stealing Geno? You can’t steal from the dumpster. Yes. Yes you can. Just gotta get it before the rats do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Honestly, I confess to wanting the Jets to hire Dorsey or Gettleman as a Team President last off season. I regret making those suggestions. I think Mac gets the big picture strategy/waiver wire/FA/trade things very well. He just set up a very weak scouting and drafting process, but hopefully they are fixing it. Upgrading from Wolford was on my list of PS improvements. Let's work on the OL and ILB now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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varjet Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Davis Webb was a credible cheap back up to Manning for this year. Webb can hopefully be a credible, cheap back up to Darnold next year, and we can save the $10mm for McCown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 If they're paying him that kind of money they must be interested in him for next season as Darnold's backup. Believe me they've much rather pay him 100k than 600. (are the Giants paying any of that money?) But if a team makes a PS claim does he have to report to their active squad. Maybe the salary is to discourage that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Meh Better than Wolford I guess. So it's lauletta or bust for the giants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayRay Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, bitonti said: in what scenario is Davis Webb seeing the field a good outcome? follow up question did anyone else notice they are paying him a full player's salary to be on the psquad? They won the bidding war for Josh McCown too. This is how they are getting above the salary floor. By paying money to QBs we all hope will never play. Paying a $600K salary for a #3 QB is not outlandish. They obviously are looking at him as their backup QB whenever McCown makes the full switch to coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jethead Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Who cares what he costs. Same with the kicker. Woody has more than he needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Maybe they really like Lauleta. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Untouchable Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bruce Harper said: Maybe they really like Lauleta. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app I’ll laugh my t!ts off if the Giants are counting on some 4th round pick out of Richmond to be their franchise QB of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, BroadwayRay said: Paying a $600K salary for a #3 QB is not outlandish. They obviously are looking at him as their backup QB whenever McCown makes the full switch to coaching. It kind of is. Most teams don't pay any #3 QBs. They pay 2 QBs and taxi the third. I guess paying 3 is better than paying 4 like last year and it's good they freed up the roster spot but it's a worst case scenario. If Davis Webb is playing it's because the season is f--ked and they have to play out the string. 3 minutes ago, Jethead said: Who cares what he costs. Same with the kicker. Woody has more than he needs. They are under the floor right now, which is like 80% of the cap. They were under last year too. They have to either spend to 125% over the next two years or incur a huge fine. Moves, like trading Teddy and cutting Mo, don't help the problem. So they make dumb little moves like paying McCown 10 mil or give Davis Webb a salary. These moves make the gap smaller but don't really improve the roster. Put it another way it's not the amount they are spending that bums me out. it's the allocation of resources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 17 minutes ago, Untouchable said: I’ll laugh my t!ts off if the Giants are counting on some 4th round pick out of Richmond to be their franchise QB of the future. Plenty of guys here were ready to roll with him if we missed out on Darnold/Rosen/Mayfield/whatever their flavor of the week was. 11 minutes ago, bitonti said: It kind of is. Most teams don't pay any #3 QBs. They pay 2 QBs and taxi the third. I guess paying 3 is better than paying 4 like last year and it's good they freed up the roster spot but it's a worst case scenario. If Davis Webb is playing it's because the season is f--ked and they have to play out the string. They are under the floor right now, which is like 80% of the cap. They were under last year too. They have to either spend to 125% over the next two years or incur a huge fine. Moves, like trading Teddy and cutting Mo, don't help the problem. So they make dumb little moves like paying McCown 10 mil or give Davis Webb a salary. These moves make the gap smaller but don't really improve the roster. Put it another way it's not the amount they are spending that bums me out. it's the allocation of resources. They did not go with 4 QBs last year. That was 2016. I think they may have kept Smith hoping that they could get a trade or comp pick out of him. The smart money thing to do now would be - wait for Webb to learn the offense. Once he is ready to be on the active roster, McCown retires and is hired as QB coach. He knows the O and can be brought back in an emergency. That should save at least some of the $10M to carry-over. OTOH, I don't think they are even dreaming of any of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Davis Webb is terrible. He will never see the active roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 This seems like a good move by the Jets but with Shurmer being a "QB coach" it does say a lot that they let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Two QB who played their college ball at california might end up being starter and backup on an east coast team . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, bitonti said: in what scenario is Davis Webb seeing the field a good outcome? follow up question did anyone else notice they are paying him a full player's salary to be on the psquad? They won the bidding war for Josh McCown too. This is how they are getting above the salary floor. By paying money to QBs we all hope will never play. What scenario are you glad to put a spare tire on your car? None. But nice to have it when you need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, C Mart said: This is what happens when you change regimes.......Webb means NOTHING to Gettleman and Schurmur. They had nothing to do w/drafting him I dont particularly care for the Giants' assessment of this year's QBs, so this might be a decent move on the Jets part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Why does anyone care about the money? We are talking about the difference between $600K and $125K for an NFL team to sign a 6'5, strong armed QB with a year of experience in the league and who 18 months ago was picked 87th overall. That money is beyond meaningless for any team given the increases in the cap and the rookie scale, but is even more meaningless for a team like the Jets with $80+ million of space. I dont know much about Webb but for a developmental player with his physical ability, "overpaying" to get him in our building for a year is an excellent move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jets rooter Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 When will the jets stop picking up losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 2 hours ago, C Mart said: Jets could have told him we’ll pay your full 2018 salary and groom you for the possibility of being our #2 QB next yr. Would that entail actually coaching, and if so, I presume we keep Bowles away from him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, jets rooter said: When will the jets stop picking up losers. Agreed, they should have signed Aaron Rodgers to the practice squad. Can anyone with sources inside the Jets explain why we don't sign more studs to our practice squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 1 hour ago, HelenOfTroy said: Sam is familiar with him as well, so there is a relationship. I'm sure you're all about forging familiar relationships, Helen of Troy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 4, 2018 Share Posted September 4, 2018 Good. More depth with potential. All I wanted after TB was traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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