Thibs Talk Heating Up all over the place.

[Matt39]

18 minutes ago, jetspenguin said:

Yeah the branding thing doesn't bother me. It's the leaving early thing. I can't decide of he left because he doesn't feel like he has anything left to prove and doesn't want to get hurt

or

he didn't want a bad showing against his competitors and was afraid it would hurt his draft stock.

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.
 

He's going to be an exhausting personality to coach. He'll be back and forth on playing constantly...dont get the impression he'll play the slightest banged up. Pass for me.

[King P]

22 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

If we still own the 10th pick on draft day, I believe it will be WR or CB.  Heard a little bit about OL, but I think it will be one of the other two.

 

16 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Lol, I wouldn’t be positive that Sauce will definitely be gone hence why “CB” is an option.  He probably will, in which case, I think it will be WR.  This is all assuming that we still own this pick on draft day though.

[Mogglez]

Just now, King P said:

 

 

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[chirorob]

49 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

I can vouch for Cbucco, fwiw.  We’ve spoken and I know who he speaks to.  It’s as legitimate as you can get.

I don’t want you to get roasted like I did last year so all I will add is that if I were a betting man, Thibs would be a guy I consider very strongly when it comes to betting on the Jets selection, at least based on what I’ve heard.  A lot can happen from now until draft day, but we’ll see.  Shared this in the JN discord so it only feels right breaking my silence and adding it to the main board as well.

Have you heard anything about anyone inquiring about trading up to 4 or 10?

edit, sorry, I then saw some of the other replies

[peekskill68]

You could make the argument, discounting need and going BPA, that Sauce should be the pick at #4...

[Jet Blast]

20 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

Yeah I get the logic behind it, corner and edge are both considered premium positions.

I’m just not a fan of taking corners in the 1st l, unless that’s the last piece to contending.

Corners prime years are akin to running backs and burn out fast…although Saleh’s defense doesn’t ask them to do the whole man coverage thing.

I just would rather see EDGE + WR or EDGE + OT in the first.

I don't see it mentioned here often, but Saleh has stated that he doesn't need top tier corners in his system. He claims the system works well with two decent corners, but requires a good pass rush to be fully successful. 

To me, this tidbit speaks volumes on how Douglas will draft. Draw your own conclusions, but I have a two:

1) I think it unlikely Douglas will draft a CB with one of his first 4 picks (barring a trade back).

2) One of the first 2 picks will be a pass rusher.

There you have it. Not a revelation. JMO.

 

 

[BigRy56]

For those into RAS

[Ghost420]

1 hour ago, Alka said:

It seems that Jermaine Johnson is in play at #4.  If the Jets are hell bent on a edge rusher, then one of the top 3 will be there at #4.  Hutch, Thibs or Johnson.

All 3 should be gone by the #10 pick.  If you take 2 WR's off the board, as well as 2 tackles, and a QB, then you have Sauce, the #3 wide receiver rounding out your top 10 picks.

Outside of the QB, the Jets should be in a good spot at #10.

I'd be suprised if 2 wrs go top 1p

[Cbucco19]

I didn’t ask about 10 ! I would assume WR if it’s thibs and if sauce … Jermaine Johnson. 

[BornJetsFan1983]

1 hour ago, Dunnie said:

Essentially every draft show I watch or listen to mentions this guy to the Jets at 4.

Question for the guys that watch this guy more than me......

... Is it possible he is Vernon Gholston II ?

He looks stiff to me.

That is all . .  . thanks.

 

 

Not a chance

[jetspenguin]

Honestly?  I’m still trying to figure that out.  The lack of things I’ve heard about Wilson makes it a hard read when I get information because I don’t know if it’s something being held close to the vest, or if the team just doesn’t care for him.  I’ve heard good things about London.  Personally, I’m not sure I would go London over Wilson though.

I used to lean London because I love how he makes contested catches and breaks tackles....then I started to notice that he doesn't get much separation and isn't very fast......now I'm like ...eh?

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[DetroitRed]

1 hour ago, Jimmy 2 Times said:

I've changed my mind for the hundredth time and am back on Karlaftis at 10.  

The problem I have with Karlaftis is that he doesn’t seem to be an elite athlete. I could be wrong. He can rush the passer, but with all the mobile Qbs , you have to be able to close the deal.   Can a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson easily escape him?  

[derp]

1 hour ago, Mogglez said:

I can vouch for Cbucco, fwiw.  We’ve spoken and I know who he speaks to.  It’s as legitimate as you can get.

I don’t want you to get roasted like I did last year so all I will add is that if I were a betting man, Thibs would be a guy I consider very strongly when it comes to betting on the Jets selection, at least based on what I’ve heard.  A lot can happen from now until draft day, but we’ll see.  Shared this in the JN Discord so it only feels right breaking my silence and adding it to the main board as well.

The ankle injury last year is one of those things I think is interesting because a team could look at him playing on that as a) he probably could’ve shut it down but didn’t so that doesn’t mesh with his image and b) maybe explains why he didn’t look awesome or put up stats this year. Of course it could’ve been really minor and he shouldn’t have missed any time and it didn’t impact him at all. That whole scenario is a quietly pertinent part of his evaluation.

I imagine Thibodeaux wants New York too.

[jetspenguin]

I guess I should say that despite all the talk I don't think he makes is past Detroit. ...and he is going to be miserable there... not enough press hahaha

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[Matt39]

55 minutes ago, derp said:

The ankle injury last year is one of those things I think is interesting because a team could look at him playing on that as a) he probably could’ve shut it down but didn’t so that doesn’t mesh with his image and b) maybe explains why he didn’t look awesome or put up stats this year. Of course it could’ve been really minor and he shouldn’t have missed any time and it didn’t impact him at all. That whole scenario is a quietly pertinent part of his evaluation.

I imagine Thibodeaux wants New York too.

Anyone who considers shutting it down is not worth the risk. You want guys who want to play. 

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, jetspenguin said:

I used to lean London because I love how he makes contested catches and breaks tackles....then I started to notice that he doesn't get much separation and isn't very fast......now I'm like ...eh?

Sent from the NY Jets /Zack Wilson Suicide Watch desk.
 

I like London, but don’t “love” him.  I think his upside is someone like Allen Robinson or Mike Evans, but for every single one of those guys, who had similar speed/separation concerns, you have a few Alshon Jeffery-like players, and I wouldn’t take Alshon Jeffery with a top 10 pick.  Especially when you factor in the fact that this scheme is a bad fit for him and he’s far more likely to become that type of player in it.

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, jetspenguin said:

I guess I should say that despite all the talk I don't think he makes is past Detroit. ...and he is going to be miserable there... not enough press hahaha

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Detroit is his ceiling, and I think the Giants are his floor. 

[Mogglez]

1 hour ago, derp said:

The ankle injury last year is one of those things I think is interesting because a team could look at him playing on that as a) he probably could’ve shut it down but didn’t so that doesn’t mesh with his image and b) maybe explains why he didn’t look awesome or put up stats this year. Of course it could’ve been really minor and he shouldn’t have missed any time and it didn’t impact him at all. That whole scenario is a quietly pertinent part of his evaluation.

I imagine Thibodeaux wants New York too.

Agreed.  I’m very lukewarm on the idea of taking him.  Especially compared to the beginning of the year.  The talent is there, but I’m not sure about the heart or head.  It’s JDs bed though, not mine.

[derp]

28 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Anyone who considers shutting it down is not worth the risk. You want guys who want to play. 

I don’t know if he considered shutting it down, but the guy he’s portrayed to be would have shut it down. He played.

[Grandy]

I'm very skeptical of Thibodeaux as a prospect right now.

I see a guy who hasn't improved his numbers since his freshman year, has some early off field concerns like leaving the combine early. Also have read some concerning scouting reports. Forget where I saw it but Daniel Jeremiah said he talked to a coach from a smaller team that played them and asked what strategy they had for Kayvon. The guy basically said that they didn't have one because they just needed to play aggressive and in his face to stop him. 

[Hal N of Provo]

We don’t get to interview him, but the FO and coaches do.  If they pass on him or draft him at 4 I’ve got to trust that.   A premium pass rusher is such a need and Jets will only draft at 32 from now on, so maybe they need to risk it.  

[derp]

22 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Agreed.  I’m very lukewarm on the idea of taking him.  Especially compared to the beginning of the year.  The talent is there, but I’m not sure about the heart or head.  It’s JDs bed though, not mine.

He compared himself to Clowney, who is in demand as a player but has never had a double digit sack year as a pro. Perhaps that comparison is apt. I think you’re getting someone on that level or Ziggy Ansah who had a couple double digit sack years. Don’t think it’ll be a Garrett, Mack, Miller, Bosa, Watt level of pass rush production. Think he plays a while because he has to in order to do to what he wants off the field.

[UnknownJetFan]

3 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

So basically its Thibs and if Thibs isn’t there its Sauce.

I like Sauce and the pick is better than a safety or idl but would really prefer J Williams or G Wilson at 4 and Edge at 10 over corner at 4.

Seems Jets know with all the QBs added in the AFC the 4th pick needs to be getting either a great pass rusher or corner either of which greatly helps the pass defense. 

[naturalscience]

3 hours ago, Adoni Beast said:

So basically its Thibs and if Thibs isn’t there its Sauce.

I like Sauce and the pick is better than a safety or idl but would really prefer J Williams or G Wilson at 4 and Edge at 10 over corner at 4.

I've been musing this over, lately, myself.

I tend to think they just take Thibs but would it be terrible to grab Williams at 4?

Reports are he may be ready for camp. He's pretty consistently talked about as the best receiver in the draft class and a scheme fit for us.

Then try to snag Jermaine Johnson at 10? They seemed to really like him.

I'm thinking this wouldn't be too bad.

This year the potential draft strategies have really been all over the place. 

[Mogglez]

13 minutes ago, derp said:

He compared himself to Clowney, who is in demand as a player but has never had a double digit sack year as a pro. Perhaps that comparison is apt. I think you’re getting someone on that level or Ziggy Ansah who had a couple double digit sack years. Don’t think it’ll be a Garrett, Mack, Miller, Bosa, Watt level of pass rush production. Think he plays a while because he has to in order to do to what he wants off the field.

Nailed it.  I’d prefer Walker, as he is the guy who I think will carve a nice career for himself, and average 8-10 sacks a year, maybe 14-16 in a great year, over Thibs.  Thibs strikes me as a 4.5-5 sack per year type of player, who explodes for 16-17 in his contract year, gets the money, and mails it in.

[Matt39]

21 minutes ago, derp said:

I don’t know if he considered shutting it down, but the guy he’s portrayed to be would have shut it down. He played.

Half assed. With a paycheck he doesn’t. He’s not a draftable player imo.

[Rhg1084]

2 hours ago, Jet Blast said:

I don't see it mentioned here often, but Saleh has stated that he doesn't need top tier corners in his system. He claims the system works well with two decent corners, but requires a good pass rush to be fully successful. 

To me, this tidbit speaks volumes on how Douglas will draft. Draw your own conclusions, but I have a two:

1) I think it unlikely Douglas will draft a CB with one of his first 4 picks (barring a trade back).

2) One of the first 2 picks will be a pass rusher.

There you have it. Not a revelation. JMO.

 

 

I honestly think pick 4 will be and EDGE and pick 10 will be Jordan Davis building Saleh his super line 

[derp]

15 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Nailed it.  I’d prefer Walker, as he is the guy who I think will carve a nice career for himself, and average 8-10 sacks a year, maybe 14-16 in a great year, over Thibs.  Thibs strikes me as a 4.5-5 sack per year type of player, who explodes for 16-17 in his contract year, gets the money, and mails it in.

I don’t even think Thibodeaux is a contract year guy. I think he’s perpetually good enough to require attention but not good enough to beat that attention, if that makes sense. It’s why the Clowney comparison strikes me as interesting. Walker you are *really* betting on traits. It’s a bet I’d make but my job isn’t on the line.

10 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

Half assed. With a paycheck he doesn’t. He’s not a draftable player imo.

Eh, I don’t know if 7 sacks on a bum ankle is half assed. Clowney half assed his junior year. Thibodeaux played through an injury as a projected #1 pick at the time. Not draftable is hyperbolic but I’m sure you know that.

[clayton163v]

Everything negative I have seen about Thibs boils down to "the interview" and "leaving the combine early". 

I actually watched the interview and am not parroting what I read elsewhere.  I thought I saw a handsome, articulate and well-dressed young man conduct an interview with the national press at the age of 21.   He spoke clearly and without emotion.  His clumsy attempt to tout his academic achievement led him to slight Alabama - a dumb comment to be sure.  But hardly a reason to knock him as a prospect.

As for the combine, LOTS of players left early because the SCHEDULING was a DISASTER.  Nobody could keep to any sort of schedule.  Read about it.  Nevertheless, he has since turned in his pro day.  He did the missing three cone drill and short shuttle.  His times are fine.  Did he turn in a three cone drill like Hutch?  NO.  Was his score good?  Yes.  And unlike Hutch, Thibs has length and can convert speed to power. 

To me it comes down to this. 

Hutch and some of the others could turn out to be one of the Watt or Bosa brothers.  Thibs could turn out to be Lawrence Taylor.  Really.  If you are going to knock the guy, at least be fair and give an honest comparison to the type of NFL football player he projects to be.

And yes.  I am well aware "that the bus station is filled the the next Lawrence Taylor".   But that is his upside and the reason for all the hype.  Personally, I was surprised to see an articulate young man.  I had imagined a different sort of person emerging from his "number 1" prospect status.  The world has been waiting outside his door since he graduated from high school.

[chirorob]

58 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Agreed.  I’m very lukewarm on the idea of taking him.  Especially compared to the beginning of the year.  The talent is there, but I’m not sure about the heart or head.  It’s JDs bed though, not mine.

That's the rub. 

JD took Becton, who does have people wondering about his heart.   Does JD then take another player with similar concerns?

If you're a GM, and you make 2 bad top 11 picks in 3 years, you're gonna be unemployed.  Unless you're Matt Millan.  Then you get 8 more chances.

[Adoni Beast]

38 minutes ago, naturalscience said:

I've been musing this over, lately, myself.

I tend to think they just take Thibs but would it be terrible to grab Williams at 4?

Reports are he may be ready for camp. He's pretty consistently talked about as the best receiver in the draft class and a scheme fit for us.

Then try to snag Jermaine Johnson at 10? They seemed to really like him.

I'm thinking this wouldn't be too bad.

This year the potential draft strategies have really been all over the place. 

The ideal combos for me would be:

• Thibs (@4) and J Williams or G Wilson (@10)
• J Williams or G Wilson (@4) and J. Johnson (@10)

[CSNY]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Anyone who considers shutting it down is not worth the risk. You want guys who want to play. 

This 100%. That’s the reason I would pass on Thibs From all the reports on him haven’t heard too many positive articles but a whooole lot of negative ones concerning his attitude Dont  really think he’s all that devoted to football 

[BurntDice]

It’s so weird with thibs. I’d be fine with any of hutch, thibs, Walker, or sauce at 4 

[Hex]

Thibs is one of those players that had so much hype coming out of school he was pretty much a consensus #1 for NFL, but then slipped in college. He has quite a few red flags, and is high risk. There will be better players still on the board at #4, guaranteed.

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, Rhg1084 said:

I honestly think pick 4 will be and EDGE and pick 10 will be Jordan Davis building Saleh his super line 

After investing in dline for 15 years we are using two top 10 picks on dine.

Douglas should be fired if he does this.

Jordan davis on the jets would play like 50% of the snaps.  Even our big edge player we are drafting will play like 60% maybe. 

I will go off the deep end if we draft davis.  Oh he is a good player for what he does but dline pluggers are not worthy of top 10 picks.  Especially the way the jets play defense.  Davis would be a waste on this team.