Mike LaFleur Makes an Incredible Discovery

[T0mShane]

4 minutes ago, dbatesman said:

 

yikes

That he used the same phrasing is a wink nod.

[Sperm Edwards]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

LaFleur’s presser was a master class in passive aggression. 

"It's our fault for putting the league's worst QB on the field."

If that's not passive aggressive then I don't know what the term means.

Which is possible, lol. 

[FactsOnly]

FIRE LAFLOOR!!!!!!!!!!

[Flea Flicking Frank]

1 hour ago, bitonti said:

The point of picking a player at 2 is that he doesn't need to sit a year

first round is for starters

second round and beyond is for prospects 

the real problem here is that the NYJ drafted a 3rd round QB at 2 overall. Once he was drafted 2 they couldn't bench him. 

Someone needs to tell KC they made a big mistake sitting a first round pick QB.

 

Eli Manning was 1st overall pick and was way more NFL ready than ZW, and sat first half of the year. 

 

Your premise is silly. 

[UntouchableCrew]

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

It was not his decision to start Zach Wilson from day one and he wants everyone to know it

This. 100%.

Some of the responses in this thread are baffling in how badly they misunderstand what's happening here.

He's probably getting fired for this mess that isn't really his fault and he's letting people know it's not his fault. He didn't want the kid and didn't want to play him. He wants people to know that.

[Grandy]

This is so bad. We cannot develop QB's at all. 

Wilson isn't blameless, but it was clear from the get go that we mishandled his development. 

[Sperm Edwards]

17 minutes ago, Flea Flicking Frank said:

Someone needs to tell KC they made a big mistake sitting a first round pick QB.

Eli Manning was 1st overall pick and was way more NFL ready than ZW, and sat first half of the year. 

Your premise is silly. 

A day or two ago, I started making a list of the high pick QBs that either sat, or only started because the planned-starter got hurt, and decided it wasn't worth the effort because the figurative goalposts would just get moved again anyway.

Zach was drafted & started because his uncle started up jetblue...before they threw him out of the company against his will. Somehow, starting Zach Wilson would appease this group of boardroom suits who'd probably never heard of Zach Wilson, yet who must surely have pull over just about the most major of football decisions a team can make. Because half the stadium's naming rights go to the Jets. Rights stemming from a 10+ year old contract that both teams would LOVE to tear up & put out to bids all over again because they can get far more a decade later. But they still give Woody Johnson marching orders, and he gives them to Douglas who gives them to Saleh. This is a thing, for real, and if you doubt it you don't know how the world works.

This makes more sense to him than some pie in the sky judgment about a QB prospect, given to under-qualified coaches. They hired a 31 year-old QBC ffs. But hey, he was the OC/QBC at someplace called Wagner College, and the QBC at Oviedo High School before that.

Is it that far-fetched to imagine a combination of an over-hyped, over-drafted prospect, going to and coached by a clown car of stupid? It's not like this is the first time ffs, nor even the first time in the past 10 years. Nor even merely the 2nd time, lol. He's the 4th in a string of mistake QB draft picks. But this time it's obvious it was an airline calling the shots, lol.

At this stage, the only reason to reply is to mock. The only sympathy is he's also relegated to rooting for this 5th rate organization.

[CanadaSteve]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

Woody Johnson didn't get to where he in life by paying people not to work 

EXACTLY!

That is how Woody Johnson got ahead in life.  He payed people as little as he could so that he didn't have to work to get to where he is in life!

[Jet_Engine1]

5 hours ago, Larz said:

In hindsight, as a kid getting an old style patriots helmet and uniform as a kid, a cowboys team picture signed by staubach, and living with a giants fan for a father I should have picked a different team lol

[rangerous]

Okay if it wasn’t milfs decision to start zwilson then whose was it? I’m sure Douglas and woody wanted to show off their new toy but saleh has also said he plays the guys he thinks can help the team.  And if zwilson was not ready milf should’ve been more vocal. Here’s where the loss of Knapp may have been felt. There was nobody to push back. And starting last season did nothing for zwilson. Everyone knew it was going to be a wasted season and the jets were going no where.

so what to do now? If they are still sold on zwilson ( and I think they should be) then they need a bonafide two season starter. Jimmy G? Carr? It’s not like any vet they bring in is going to ride the bench like Flacco. In the meantime zwilson rides the bench like young did when Montana was still starter for the niners. He could be brought in for special plays or be a spot starter. After two seasons he should be more than ready. Of course that means they’d have to wait 2 more seasons but if they get that franchise guy at the end of the day it’ll be worth it. And it also won’t be any worse than they are now.

[slimjasi]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

 

He's probably getting fired for this mess that isn't really his fault and he's letting people know it's not his fault. He didn't want the kid and didn't want to play him. He wants people to know that.

See, I don't get the bolded. If he does get fired, it won't be just because Zach Wilson sucks, it will also be because, in the midst of a playoff race, his offense has scored 3 TDs in its last 5 games. Zach Wilson has started only 2 of those games. Three teams this past weekend (Lions, Packers, Giants) scored as much or more than the Jets have in the last 4 weeks, combined.

This offense is poorly run, can't convert a 3rd and short to save planet earth, and can't convert a red zone opportunity into 6. It sucks. And yes, at least some of that is on the OC. 

[Embrace the Suck]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

He's probably getting fired for this mess that isn't really his fault and he's letting people know it's not his fault. He didn't want the kid and didn't want to play him. He wants people to know that.

Maybe, but it seems kind of dumb on his part though. Essentially telling teams he can't make things work with the players he's tasked to work with unless they're the players he wants.

[56mehl56]

1 minute ago, slimjasi said:

See, I don't get the bolded. If he does get fired, it won't be just because Zach Wilson sucks, it's also because, in the midst of a playoff race, his offense has scored 3 TDs in its last 5 games. Zach Wilson has started only 2 of those games. Three teams this past weekend (Lions, Packers, Giants) scored as much or more than the Jets have in the last 4 weeks, combined.

This offense is poorly run, can't convert a 3rd and short to save planet earth, and can't convert a red zone opportunity into 6. It sucks. And yes, at least some of that is on the OC. 

Its like the old Casey Stengel quote about his 3rd baseman- He's got 3rd base so screwed up nobody can play it. 

For MLF ,ZW got the QB spot so screwed up nobody can play it . ?

[Biggs]

6 hours ago, johnnysd said:

Sounds like a desperation move to save his job. MLF is the problem not Zach. Get a real OC and Zach will magically remember how to play QB

I thought he was honest to a fault.  It might cost him his job.   I’m not a fan of Lefluer but Zach needs more than abracadabra to fix him.

[SickJetFan]

2 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Maybe, but it seems kind of dumb on his part though. Essentially telling teams he can't make things work with the players he's tasked to work with unless they're the players he wants.

maybe MLF would be good if he could line up 11 pro bowlers

[Xtina]

6 hours ago, 56mehl56 said:

None of them were ready day one Zach, Saleh or MLF included . Last year was a learning year for all , the fact that MLF is making that comment now, means he's feeling the heat and looking for scapegoats. 

I agree but how good is he at this, if he thinks admitting he’s clueless is helpful 

[Hex]

3 hours ago, bitonti said:

The point of picking a player at 2 is that he doesn't need to sit a year

first round is for starters

second round and beyond is for prospects 

the real problem here is that the NYJ drafted a 3rd round QB at 2 overall. Once he was drafted 2 they couldn't bench him. 

There's something called project players, which I believe Zach Wilson was (or at least should have been). JD probably knew the 49ers would take Wilson at 3 if he didn't, and so went for it. I doubt he even drops past 15th overall regardless of what the 49ers or Jets did. Wilson fooled a lot of people.

[56mehl56]

1 minute ago, Xtina said:

I agree but how good is he at this, if he thinks admitting he’s clueless is helpful 

I guess when you're on a life raft , you hold on to anything that keeps you afloat . 

[Embrace the Suck]

2 minutes ago, SickJetFan said:

maybe MLF would be good if he could line up 11 pro bowlers

Do those pro-bowlers fit his vision? Hope so otherwise probably not.

[Xtina]

1 hour ago, UntouchableCrew said:

This. 100%.

Some of the responses in this thread are baffling in how badly they misunderstand what's happening here.

He's probably getting fired for this mess that isn't really his fault and he's letting people know it's not his fault. He didn't want the kid and didn't want to play him. He wants people to know that.

BS. If he thought the kid shouldn’t be playing he should have seen to it that ZW sat. If he can’t make that happen, he’s weak and  just as culpable. 

[Barry McCockinner]

I think LaFleur is going to be LaFired

[TommyT]

You knew things were bad when you did not see At Home With Zach Wilson commercials.

[SickJetFan]

13 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Do those pro-bowlers fit his vision? Hope so otherwise probably not.

oh right didnt think on that too good

[UntouchableCrew]

53 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

See, I don't get the bolded. If he does get fired, it won't be just because Zach Wilson sucks, it will also be because, in the midst of a playoff race, his offense has scored 3 TDs in its last 5 games. Zach Wilson has started only 2 of those games. Three teams this past weekend (Lions, Packers, Giants) scored as much or more than the Jets have in the last 4 weeks, combined.

This offense is poorly run, can't convert a 3rd and short to save planet earth, and can't convert a red zone opportunity into 6. It sucks. And yes, at least some of that is on the OC. 

To each their own. MLF has been flawed, sure, but I've seen a pretty good offense when the OL was moderately healthy and the QB wasn't unplayably bad.

He's probably an average OC at best (which is an upgrade for the Jets) but he's probably frustrated his chance at a big break as OC was submarined by being saddled with the worst QB of the last fifteen years. I'd be annoyed too.

49 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Maybe, but it seems kind of dumb on his part though. Essentially telling teams he can't make things work with the players he's tasked to work with unless they're the players he wants.

Or pointing out the obvious -- that Zach Wilson is unplayable and ****ed up his chance at a dream job.

41 minutes ago, Xtina said:

BS. If he thought the kid shouldn’t be playing he should have seen to it that ZW sat. If he can’t make that happen, he’s weak and  just as culpable. 

What on earth makes you think he has that power? If you read between the lines he's been banging this drum for the last two years.

[Jetpain]

Go ahead and fire  Lefleur, iit wont matter.  Same corporate MO, same mistakes, same results.  Not sure how many OC candidates will be dying for this job when Saleh could very likely be on a 1 year produce results or be fired himself at this time next year.  Any quality candidate with other options is going elsewhere.  And i am not a defender of MLF.  Bad staff from the day 1.  JD should have insisted on some gray hair on both sides of the staff.  

[KevinSwayne82]

Saleh and Douglas approached last season way too casually. Winning was secondary to giving Joe Douglas draft picks playing time in the hope that a few of them “develop” into something. 
 

This season I think Saleh saw the writing on the wall after the week 1 loss to Baltimore. The honeymoon was over and he had start winning games or he’d be pushed out. 
 

Feel like the lack of urgency we’ve had over the years really negatively impacted this team down the stretch. 

[Sir Speez]

7 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

 

I mean, it sounds like he knows he's on his way out.

Belicheat

Popovich

[Dcat]

8 hours ago, dbatesman said:

Sweet merciful crap. Just get these clowns out of here

How can he remain now after that remark?  Basically he freely admits that he is clueless and far from competent for this job.

[toonman 88]

8 hours ago, slimjasi said:

In hindsight, we should have cut Braden Mann when he made that tackle against the Rams. 

he should have been cut 5 games in for his sh*t punting also!!!! still looking for that big leg we were told he had when we wasted a draft pick on him.

[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, Embrace the Suck said:

Maybe, but it seems kind of dumb on his part though. Essentially telling teams he can't make things work with the players he's tasked to work with unless they're the players he wants.

It’s likely a universally accepted truth that Zach Wilson is a terrible player, and that would garner LaFleur some level of understanding from many potential future employers. There are a lot of coaching staffs out there who have experience getting upended by bad QB draftees. 

[Sir Speez]

6 hours ago, bitonti said:

the decision to draft Zach was made in late December, before the CFB playoffs. Daniel Jeremiah had it leaking around that point. 

the Zoom calls, pro days etc were window dressing

the real question is who made that decision? Joe Douglas will be blamed for it but I can't shake the feeling this is Robin Leach lifestyles of the rich and famous at work  

people say Zach was the defacto 2 prospect in CFB, that's Bull. He was ranked 2 because everyone knew the Jets would take him at 2. Not because he had such great film losing to Coastal Carolina 

Hmmm interesting posit

[Jet Nut]

5 hours ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

 

Preseason pick 6 in year 2 means nothing, but a non-trash rookie debut performance when the league has no tape on you is meaningful?

What is your point exactly?

It’s all irrelevant.

The last we saw of Wilson he was skipping bounce passes like John Stockton in prime time vs a bad Jags D. 

He’s not even good enough to dress on gameday right now.  Strev is the #3

That you didn’t know we were talking year one, an entire preseason and the first game.   But double down.  

[Larz]

4 hours ago, Sperm Edwards said:

A day or two ago, I started making a list of the high pick QBs that either sat, or only started because the planned-starter got hurt, and decided it wasn't worth the effort because the figurative goalposts would just get moved again anyway.

Zach was drafted & started because his uncle started up jetblue...before they threw him out of the company against his will. Somehow, starting Zach Wilson would appease this group of boardroom suits who'd probably never heard of Zach Wilson, yet who must surely have pull over just about the most major of football decisions a team can make. Because half the stadium's naming rights go to the Jets. Rights stemming from a 10+ year old contract that both teams would LOVE to tear up & put out to bids all over again because they can get far more a decade later. But they still give Woody Johnson marching orders, and he gives them to Douglas who gives them to Saleh. This is a thing, for real, and if you doubt it you don't know how the world works.

This makes more sense to him than some pie in the sky judgment about a QB prospect, given to under-qualified coaches. They hired a 31 year-old QBC ffs. But hey, he was the OC/QBC at someplace called Wagner College, and the QBC at Oviedo High School before that.

Is it that far-fetched to imagine a combination of an over-hyped, over-drafted prospect, going to and coached by a clown car of stupid? It's not like this is the first time ffs, nor even the first time in the past 10 years. Nor even merely the 2nd time, lol. He's the 4th in a string of mistake QB draft picks. But this time it's obvious it was an airline calling the shots, lol.

At this stage, the only reason to reply is to mock. The only sympathy is he's also relegated to rooting for this 5th rate organization.

Someone posted a detailed analysis of that issue recently and the conclusion more or less is there was no clear correlation between sitting or playing on career 

probably 3, 4 weeks ago 

[Beerfish]

Just shows how brilliant of an OC Shotty was, took the jets to two afc title games with Mark sanchez as the QB.

[68JET11]

9 hours ago, Coquito said:

In hindsight, should have kept Darnold and used Zach's pick on Sewell.

In hindsight, should have kept Darnold, and traded that pick to SF for a better package than the Dolphins got...