Sean Payton wants what?

[Integrity28]

Holy smokes.

[JetsAddict]

Hope Aaron Glenn gets a job. If not he could be a good candidate to replace Saleh in 2024. 

[JetPotato]

Like I have been saying, all it takes is money.

That's what you do if you are serious about changing the success, the perception and the culture of an organization. If you want to go from league joke to legitimate football power, you bring in proven experts who have done it before. You pay whatever it takes. 

Parcells did it briefly. We reverted right back to clownshow when Woody came in.

[fltflo]

He’s done a heck of a job with the Lions.


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[TommyT]

Sean Payton should not be an option if you have to give 2 first rounders and pay 20-25 mil yearly. Let him stay an analyst.

[ChewyandtheJets]

Just now, JetsAddict said:

Hope Aaron Glenn gets a job. If not he could be a good candidate to replace Saleh in 2024. 

Hello.  Nice to meet you.  Please tell me you are joking?  Another first time HC from the defensive side of the ball.   That would just about be it for me:

Al Groh

Herm Edwards

Eric Mangini

Rex Ryan

Todd Bowles

Robert Saleh

 

Really don’t understand the allure of first timers taking years to learn on the job when guys like Mcarthy and Peterson and even Mike Shanahan with many years of experience and proven track records of success get passed by in whatever process the Jets run   In what business or world does that make any sense?

 

[Darnold Schwarzenegger]

2 minutes ago, JetsAddict said:

Hope Aaron Glenn gets a job. If not he could be a good candidate to replace Saleh in 2024. 

Call me crazy but when saleh gets fired I would like a coach who specializes in offense.

As for Sean Payton 20 mill a year is worth it. Saints will not get 2 first rounders tho. Most likely a 1 and a 4

[Adoni Beast]

I'm a big Sean Payton fan, but if you look at his resume vs. Mike McCarty's (who the world hates) you don't see much difference....

Is Sean Payton worth that $?

[jgb]

As I mentioned Payton will be the league's first $20M/year HC and Woody is not writing that check, even if it didn't mean also paying Saleh $6M/year to not coach the team for the next two years.

[JetsAddict]

1 minute ago, ChewyandtheJets said:

Hello.  Nice to meet you.  Please tell me you are joking?  Another first time HC from the defensive side of the ball.   That would just about be it for me:

Al Groh

Herm Edwards

Eric Mangini

Rex Ryan

Todd Bowles

Robert Saleh

 

Really don’t understand the allure of first timers taking years to learn on the job when guys like Mcarthy and Peterson and even Mike Shanahan with many years of experience and proven track records of success get passed by in whatever process the Jets run   In what business or world does that make any sense?

 

None of those guys were Jets. Aaron will get it the minute he walks in. It won’t be like Saleh who treated it like a coronation when he took the job. 

[#27TheDominator]

3 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Like I have been saying, all it takes is money.

That's what you do if you are serious about changing the success, the perception and the culture of an organization. If you want to go from league joke to legitimate football power, you bring in proven experts who have done it before. You pay whatever it takes. 

Parcells did it briefly. We reverted right back to clownshow when Woody came in.

The money is one thing.  The Saints asking for two firsts plus is quite another.

[JustInFudge]

24 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Holy smokes.

Well, you know, Kevin James plays him in a movie and he won a SB 20 years ago, so this adds up.

[slats]

For his entire head coaching career, Sean Payton had Drew Brees as his QB in a dome in the NFC south. My suspicion is that he’s the most overrated coach in history, and that the team acquiring the rights to pay him a fortune will soon regret it. 

[The Crusher]

Just now, slats said:

For his entire head coaching career, Sean Payton had Drew Brees as his QB in a dome in the NFC south. My suspicion is that he’s the most overrated coach in history, and that the team acquiring the rights to pay him a fortune will soon regret it. 

Plus Jimmy Graham. Literally that combination Breeze to Graham was unstoppable. A super tall ex-b-baller as a target for a short QB. Who woulda thunk? 

[PFSIKH]

2 minutes ago, slats said:

For his entire head coaching career, Sean Payton had Drew Brees as his QB in a dome in the NFC south. My suspicion is that he’s the most overrated coach in history, and that the team acquiring the rights to pay him a fortune will soon regret it. 

Well, he did call that one onside kick to win a Superbowl.  There is that.

I would not say he is the most overrated.  Like all successful coaches, he benefitted from having a top tier QB.  To your point though, do it again.

[derp]

Payton doesn’t count against the cap. I do think he’s a good coach but honestly, we haven’t seen many high level coaches look as good when separated from their quarterback.

The key is guys who can make quarterbacks look good and develop them. Andy Reid obviously ticks that box. It looks like Daboll does unfortunately. Kyle Shanahan has had mixed results with different QB’s but overall positive.

I think that’s roughly what you want if you don’t have a quarterback. If you have one then the defensive coach route like Tomlin, Belichick, Vrabel can work but those guys raise the floor and aren’t going to help as much with a QB.

That being the case, I think taking a look at that Philadelphia tree that developed Hurts and the Detroit tree that’s creative and making Goff look good would be most interesting. I don’t know what Steichen does but I know Johnson is staying so there’s a chance that gets another year to flush itself out.

In the meantime I think talking to guys like Johnston and Patulloa about the OC job and trying to flush out how much they worked with Hurts and what they’d want to do process wise would be insightful. Wide range of outcomes but a high ceiling there.

[slats]

5 minutes ago, PFSIKH said:

Well, he did call that one onside kick to win a Superbowl.  There is that.

I would not say he is the most overrated.  Like all successful coaches, he benefitted from having a top tier QB.  To your point though, do it again.

For all his talent and advantages, he lead the Saints to 9 playoff appearances, 7 division championships, 3 NFC Championship appearances and one Super Bowl. In his 16 NFL seasons he won more than one playoff game in a season exactly once. 
 
I’m not saying he doesn’t have some genuine ability, but I am saying that he’s overrated as ****. He’s no cure-all. 

[Bugg]

26 minutes ago, Adoni Beast said:

I'm a big Sean Payton fan, but if you look at his resume vs. Mike McCarty's (who the world hates) you don't see much difference....

Is Sean Payton worth that $?

Not saying Payton is the choice.

Remember;  is no salary cap for coaches. 

But somehow, year in, year out, Jets under the Johnsons always feature a 1st time head coach (spare Gase, he of the cutting edge offense as per Chris Johnson) or one of the lower end of salaries among the NFL coaches. 

That's been the case going on 3 decades. 

[Rhg1084]

Coach salary doesn’t count against salary cap so he could ask for the moon, if the owner wants to pay him that who cares

[Larz]

Don’t forget to like and subscribe.  Silly season is upon us 

[Trotter]

I get it he is the name out there - but I just don't see him as being the saviour. 

Fix the QB and get a qualified/experienced OC. Please no first timers learning on the job.

This team has holes as do all - but I am not sur there is a team out there with such a glaring hole at QB when you look at the other talent on the roster than the Jets. 

I truly think you get the right QB in here - you will see a very different result than what we just witnessed.

[slimjasi]

Is he bringing a young Drew Brees with him? 

If I'm not mistaken, no head coach has led two different teams to Lombardi trophies. Food for thought. 

[Hex]

6 minutes ago, slats said:

For all his talent and advantages, he lead the Saints to 9 playoff appearances, 7 division championships, 3 NFC Championship appearances and one Super Bowl. In his 16 NFL seasons he won more than one playoff game in a season exactly once. 
 
I’m not saying he doesn’t have some genuine ability, but I am saying that he’s overrated as ****. He’s no cure-all. 

His teams had some of the worst defenses ever for multiple years. They had a stretch of 3 or 4 years where they went 7-9 each season because teams always managed to outscore their high flying offense. 

You also have 2 years of crazy Vikings wins in the playoffs, and it starts to add up. This guy isn't overrated. He may not be a cure-all, but he isn't overrated.

[Hex]

Just now, slimjasi said:

Is he bringing a young Drew Brees with him? 

If I'm not mistaken, no head coach has led two different teams to Lombardi trophies. Food for thought. 

Andy Reid is the closest guy to do it, as he led the eagles to the SB but lost. He still got both of his teams to conference champs 4 times in a row

[slimjasi]

Just now, Hex said:

Andy Reid is the closest guy to do it, as he led the eagles to the SB but lost. He still got both of his teams to conference champs 4 times in a row

For sure - and maybe Sean Payton is an Andy Reid level coach? 

It will be curious to see where he goes and how he does. 

[WhartonJet]

50 minutes ago, JetPotato said:

Like I have been saying, all it takes is money.

And at least 2 first round picks - no thanks.

If it were only money, I would agree with you but 2 firsts+ is crippling 

[BurntDice]

55 minutes ago, JetsAddict said:

Hope Aaron Glenn gets a job. If not he could be a good candidate to replace Saleh in 2024. 

If saleh gets fired why hire another D focused coach? Give me an offensive guy all day 

[slats]

12 minutes ago, Hex said:

His teams had some of the worst defenses ever for multiple years. They had a stretch of 3 or 4 years where they went 7-9 each season because teams always managed to outscore their high flying offense. 

You also have 2 years of crazy Vikings wins in the playoffs, and it starts to add up. This guy isn't overrated. He may not be a cure-all, but he isn't overrated.

He was at the helm of that team for 16 years. He’s not responsible for the defense in all that time?

[heymangold]

payton career record: 152-89 for a .631 winning pct

mccarthy career record: 155-97 for a .614 winning pct

both guys had arguably top 5 QBs almost their whole career - 1 super bowl win each.

 

but everyone hates mccarthy and loves payton.  why? 

[Adoni Beast]

40 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Not saying Payton is the choice.

Remember;  is no salary cap for coaches. 

But somehow, year in, year out, Jets under the Johnsons always feature a 1st time head coach (spare Gase, he of the cutting edge offense as per Chris Johnson) or one of the lower end of salaries among the NFL coaches. 

That's been the case going on 3 decades. 

Oh I didn't think you meant signing him for us. I just meant in general....is any coach really worth that? Unless you're a Belichick, Bill Walsh, Parcells, Gibbs, Andy Reid etc guy that's going to win you multiple titles.

[RutgersJetFan]

Woody wouldn't pay Mike McCarthy and the Jets are on a pretty strong streak of going with the cheaper candidate every hiring season. Zero chance this happens.

[chirorob]

Coaches should be paid more.

Which would you rather have, a mediocre guard making 5 million, and a great HC making 20, or a great guard making 20, and a mediocre coach.

Plus, there is no salary cap for coaches, the owners can afford it.

[32EBoozer]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Holy smokes.

Glad to see our old Kicker has continued to have a successful career. Another example of MacDaddy brilliance when it came to roster management!

[greenwichjetfan]

The money isn’t the issue. It doesn’t count against the cap and it ain’t coming out of your pockets. If it were just about money, I’d want Woody to do it in a heartbeat.

The 2 first round picks is the deal breaker.

[section314]

1 hour ago, Integrity28 said:

Holy smokes.

Good luck Aaron.??