Dan Orlovsky interview just now on ESPN. "This isn't just a good match, it's the perfect fit for Sam Darnold"

[jetstream23]

Quick interview just now on ESPN with Greeny and Orlovsky.  

On why Saleh is a great coach and fit for the Jets...

1) Excellent listener.  Too many coaches talk at players.  He listens.

2) Thrived in adversity.  Lost lots of players, defense continued to perform.  He's adaptable.

3) Bringing LaFleur.  The Shanahan tree works.  It's all over the league and succeeding.  To be good on offense in the NFL you need either a great QB or a great OC.

Now on Sam....

Says this isn't just a good match for Sam Darnold, "it's the exact perfect fit."  Described the offense a bit, talked about easy throws and decision making.  Said he is connected to Darnold thru people and at one point Orlovsky was asked by those close to Darnold, "If Sam is going to move on from the Jets where should he go?"  Orlovsky replied, "Do whatever you can to get to San Francisco and under Shanahan!"  Now, the SF offense comes to Sam instead of him having to go there.  Also said that Schefter doesn't just say things or speculate, if he's saying he thinks Darnold stays it's because someone very close to the Jets or the new coaches told him that.

Please add more or clarify if anyone else heard it!

 

 

[Lurker89]

It's gonna be hard to get behind another season of Sam ....  I like Sam but he looked so broken this year.

Going into the season I just wanted him to not be a trash bag... Then he was a trash bag full of holes oozing trash juice and roaches.

3 years of play peaked his rookie year and now we have to think about paying him .... 

I guess it's up to Joe and Saleh if they want to die on that hill and pass on the prospects at hand.

[ScarletKnight89]

Dan Orlovsky is a prominent Sam Darnold apologist.

[RoadFan]

Saleh is so fiery.  Darnold is very flat.  Saleh seems to enjoy what he does.  Darnold doesn't.

Either Saleh's energy will be a positive infuence on Darnold, or it might not be a good match if Darnold maintains his current dimeanor.

[dbatesman]

Just now, ScarletKnight89 said:

Dan Orlovsky is a prominent Sam Darnold apologist.

Yeah, he’s been on this for three years now. I think anything he says about Darnold can be safely ignored at this point.

[Morrissey]

12 months from tom we'll be thinking about drafting a QB in middle of next years draft and wondering how much it would cost to trade up trade up.

[undertow]

I agree but why are people so obsessed with these dumb analysts and low IQ sports shows?  It's like getting your political opinions from The View.

[oatmeal]

10 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Quick interview just now on ESPN with Greeny and Orlovsky.  

On why Saleh is a great coach and fit for the Jets...

1) Excellent listener.  Too many coaches talk at players.  He listens.

2) Thrived in adversity.  Lost lots of players, defense continued to perform.  He's adaptable.

3) Bringing LaFleur.  The Shanahan tree works.  It's all over the league and succeeding.  To be good on offense in the NFL you need either a great QB or a great OC.

Now on Sam....

Says this isn't just a good match for Sam Darnold, "it's the exact perfect fit."  Described the offense a bit, talked about easy throws and decision making.  Said he is connected to Darnold thru people and at one point Orlovsky was asked by those close to Darnold, "If Sam is going to move on from the Jets where should he go?"  Orlovsky replied, "Do whatever you can to get to San Francisco and under Shanahan!"  Now, the SF offense comes to Sam instead of him having to go there.  Also said that Schefter doesn't just say things or speculate, if he's saying he thinks Darnold stays it's because someone very close to the Jets or the new coaches told him that.

Please add more or clarify if anyone else heard it!

 

 

That’s very telling, why would Sams people do this if him and the GM share the same agent? Something doesn’t sound right ?‍♂️

[jetswinbaby!]

Maybe Darnold isn't ruined...

Maybe he just needs a little love and attention...

 

[ScarletKnight89]

Zach Wilson seems like a Robert Saleh kinda guy. Not sure if that means anything lol. Just an observation. 

[BigRy56]

Fantastic - turn Darnold into Ryan Tannehill production and let's go then

[ChuckkieB]

Yep....the Jets have leaked their intentions as to their QB situation, thereby destroying any leverage they might have with the #2 pick, to all of these "insiders" less than a day after hiring their new HC.  C'mon people.

[Dcat]

16 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Quick interview just now on ESPN with Greeny and Orlovsky.  

On why Saleh is a great coach and fit for the Jets...

1) Excellent listener.  Too many coaches talk at players.  He listens.

2) Thrived in adversity.  Lost lots of players, defense continued to perform.  He's adaptable.

3) Bringing LaFleur.  The Shanahan tree works.  It's all over the league and succeeding.  To be good on offense in the NFL you need either a great QB or a great OC.

Now on Sam....

Says this isn't just a good match for Sam Darnold, "it's the exact perfect fit."  Described the offense a bit, talked about easy throws and decision making.  Said he is connected to Darnold thru people and at one point Orlovsky was asked by those close to Darnold, "If Sam is going to move on from the Jets where should he go?"  Orlovsky replied, "Do whatever you can to get to San Francisco and under Shanahan!"  Now, the SF offense comes to Sam instead of him having to go there.  Also said that Schefter doesn't just say things or speculate, if he's saying he thinks Darnold stays it's because someone very close to the Jets or the new coaches told him that.

Please add more or clarify if anyone else heard it!

 

 

so unwise believing Sam can be fixed.  

We are all in for tremendous disappointment if the plan is to fix Darnold.  

[jetswin]

As frustrated as I was this year, and I know all of you were as well, I don't think it's time to give up on a 23 year old QB with experience under horrific conditions. New regime, new Sam, put something around the kid and give him a season. Next year if must be the Jets can do something to move up in draft if Sam doesnt pan out before locking in for big money and long term...however I like his chances with new guys coaching and around him

[RedBeardedSavage]

I get the skepticism about Darnold. He probably isn't the guy.

But Sam has had one of the worst rosters I can remember as a Jets fan. Jamison Crowder is our best player. Was Darnold supposed to play like A Rodge in year 5 with this crew of flunkies? 

[juxsta]

Ugghhh...

I like Sam as a person and I know he's still young and all but I'm just tired of watching him play on Sundays. He just doesn't have that alpha mentality to me to will a win for this team. After a 3 and out I never see him interact with a receiver or running back about what went wrong, bark at a ref for bs flag,or just snatch his chin straps off and toss his helmet on the dryer. Its just trot back to the sidelines with his head down. If they do stick with him maybe Saleh or the OC can fix him but if not, bench him early and move on. I wish we could've seen what Morgan has those last two games.

[Beerfish]

I have no issue if they keep darnold

I have no issue if they draft a QB, but you better love the new QB at #2 and feel he is going to be a franchise guy.  If you do not like darnold and do not like the draft QBs go get someone in Fa for a year or two and keep looking.

[Jetsfan80]

No system or coach can help a QB who misses open receivers, is a slow processor, is a bit weak-minded, and is injury prone.  

Regardless of who we were going to hire at HC, Darnold was never going to be the answer.  And I'll question Saleh's judgment if he doesn't see that very quickly.  Darnold already contributed to getting some people fired here.  How many more people want to join that list?

[Maxman]

20 minutes ago, jetstream23 said:

Quick interview just now on ESPN with Greeny and Orlovsky.  

On why Saleh is a great coach and fit for the Jets...

1) Excellent listener.  Too many coaches talk at players.  He listens.

2) Thrived in adversity.  Lost lots of players, defense continued to perform.  He's adaptable.

3) Bringing LaFleur.  The Shanahan tree works.  It's all over the league and succeeding.  To be good on offense in the NFL you need either a great QB or a great OC.

Now on Sam....

Says this isn't just a good match for Sam Darnold, "it's the exact perfect fit."  Described the offense a bit, talked about easy throws and decision making.  Said he is connected to Darnold thru people and at one point Orlovsky was asked by those close to Darnold, "If Sam is going to move on from the Jets where should he go?"  Orlovsky replied, "Do whatever you can to get to San Francisco and under Shanahan!"  Now, the SF offense comes to Sam instead of him having to go there.  Also said that Schefter doesn't just say things or speculate, if he's saying he thinks Darnold stays it's because someone very close to the Jets or the new coaches told him that.

Please add more or clarify if anyone else heard it!

 

 

Really good point on Schefter, he wouldn't put his name on that statement if he didn't believe it.

[ChuckkieB]

2nd year GM.
1st year HC.  
Both want to really put their stamp on the team. 
Both weren't involved with drafting Darnold.  
Darnold was the worst QB in the NFL last year.  
Both new GM and HC want to have long and prosperous careers.  
Both will NEVER rely on a 4th year, lowest ranked QB to make that happen.
The Jets are drafting a QB or trading for one.  

[Waka Flocka Flacco]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

No system or coach can help a QB who misses open receivers, is a slow processor, is a bit weak-minded, and is injury prone.  

Regardless of who we were going to hire at HC, Darnold was never going to be the answer.  And I'll question Saleh's judgment if he doesn't see that very quickly.  Darnold already contributed to getting some people fired here.  How many more people want to join that list?

 

[Maxman]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

No system or coach can help a QB who misses open receivers, is a slow processor, is a bit weak-minded, and is injury prone.  

Regardless of who we were going to hire at HC, Darnold was never going to be the answer.  And I'll question Saleh's judgment if he doesn't see that very quickly.  Darnold already contributed to getting some people fired here.  How many more people want to join that list?

Well Sam left so much to be desired, this season especially was terrible. If these guys think they can fix him all I will say is I will be rooting for them to be right. Turning things around gets a lot easier if they could pull this off.

[Jets723]

9 minutes ago, jetswin said:

As frustrated as I was this year, and I know all of you were as well, I don't think it's time to give up on a 23 year old QB with experience under horrific conditions. New regime, new Sam, put something around the kid and give him a season. Next year if must be the Jets can do something to move up in draft if Sam doesnt pan out before locking in for big money and long term...however I like his chances with new guys coaching and around him

Agreed

[Lurker89]

10 minutes ago, Dcat said:

so unwise believing Sam can be fixed.  

We are all in for tremendous disappointment if the plan is to fix Darnold.  

Agreed the only way I really think he should be here next year is if it is in open competition with the #2 pick and Morgan.

No one should be handed the job. Sam needs to have some fight in him.... You don't see much moxy from him these days. Honestly every time I see Sam speak I see Mark Sanchez ...

Same demeanor as Mark saying all of the technically correct things, holding himself accountable while simultaneously seeming like he's never going to do anything to change it.

[Maxman]

11 minutes ago, ScarletKnight89 said:

Zach Wilson seems like a Robert Saleh kinda guy. Not sure if that means anything lol. Just an observation. 

Yeah, a lot of people are saying that.  It is going to be interesting for sure. @KRL said it as the season ended but Joe Douglas legitimately controls this draft.

[Teflon-Don]

Man let's go then goddammit, JD x Saleh work your magic starting with the rest of the coaching staff and then free agency.

 

JETTUP, JETSNATION, 2021 BABY LET'S GOOOO!!!

[JetsYanks13]

I can see them rolling with Sam and grabbing Beatherd or Mullins from SF for a 6th rd pick. If not, then grabbing a west coast QB vet to compete with Darnold.


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[jeremy2020]

If they keep Darnold.. ?

We can start speculating about who the big competition for #1 overall is again

[HawkeyeJet]

I can't be the only one that is extremely disappointed this moment has already shifted to being about Darnold both on this board and in the media.

The excitement for the hire is already overshadowed by the QB discussion.  Bums me out.  Not blaming anyone or saying it doesn't deserve threads etc, but the good feeling of the hire lasted about 2 hours before it turned.

[pdxgreen]

We have the "Sam is broken and can never get fixed" cult.  We have the "we must draft Justin Fields above all else" cult.  We have the "Sam is fixable and we must build this team through the draft" cult.  I feel like Leonard Nimoy on a show explaining weird human phenomena.  Four months of hot takes.  Get the popcorn!

[Adoni Beast]

If we can somehow gamble with a trade down + keeping Sam....AND it works out...then we can be set up for a serious run.

[Alentador31]

12 minutes ago, juxsta said:

Ugghhh...

I like Sam as a person and I know he's still young and all but I'm just tired of watching him play on Sundays. He just doesn't have that alpha mentality to me to will a win for this team. After a 3 and out I never see him interact with a receiver or running back about what went wrong, bark at a ref for bs flag,or just snatch his chin straps off and toss his helmet on the dryer. Its just trot back to the sidelines with his head down. If they do stick with him maybe Saleh or the OC can fix him but if not, bench him early and move on. I wish we could've seen what Morgan has those last two games.

Neither has Eli and has two rings. 

[chirorob]

25 minutes ago, RoadFan said:

Saleh is so fiery.  Darnold is very flat.  Saleh seems to enjoy what he does.  Darnold doesn't.

Either Saleh's energy will be a positive infuence on Darnold, or it might not be a good match if Darnold maintains his current dimeanor.

Well, all Darnold has done for three years is get his ass kicked while playing for very below average offensive coaching.  

I don't think that sounds very enjoyable. 

[rayzor]

San Fran was always listed as a potential great fit for Darnold in trade scenarios.

[Matt39]

Orlovsky seems like a fine chap but the constant pom poms are a bit much.