Jets have setup Zach to fail

[ganggreen305]

I am pulling for Zach big time.  I like the kid.  He has real talent, but every time he is in there, something is going on with the Jets.  Do you guys really think he will prosper behind this makeshift piece of crap offensive line?  Really?  Then he comes back this week and gets killed and looks bad and what have we accomplished.  I am a huge fan of Joe D, but he has botched this O line big time.  Are we going to really find out what we have in Zach this year?  Not until we have a legit O Line and the kid isn't running for his life.  So frustrating man.  Get if fixed Joe D! 

[oatmeal]

DONT.START.THE.EXCUSE.CRAP.NOW

its only Tuesday ?????

[Barry McCockinner]

Absolute nonsense.

The Jets have setup Zach fine. Zach has the luxury of returning to the same system with all the same coaches in year two. The offense is loaded with talent and the o-line was fine before 12 tackles got injured. We've been unlucky with the number of injuries at the tackle position. 

Hopefully Brown comes back soon.

[Untouchable]

No more excuses

The kid is walking into a situation this year where he has one of the more talented WR corps in the league, a good young 1-2 punch in the backfield, and a pair of TE’s who both went over 500 yards and 5+ TD’s last season.

I don’t give a sh*t if he doesn’t have the 80’s Hogs in front of him.

If he’s the QB we drafted him to be then he should be able to at least produce above-average results with that in Year 2.

[DetroitRed]

Anyone who thinks this will not  be a challenge with the LT situation is clueless.  Zach still has to perform better 

[Larz]

Pff in June said 

TIER 3: HIGH-END POTENTIAL 

13. NEW YORK JETS

Projected Starting Lineup

LT: Mekhi Becton

LG: Laken Tomlinson

C: Connor McGovern

RG: Alijah Vera-Tucker

RT: George Fant

There’s so much talent along this front five, but it’s tough to bump the unit up into the next tier with so many unproven players. The success of this offensive line will hinge on the left tackle position and, as such, the right tackle position, as well. After a knee injury ended Mekhi Becton’s 2021 season just one week into the campaign, George Fant looked admirable in his stead. That led to Fant having a career year at left tackle, recording a 75.1 pass-blocking grade and looking far better than he ever did on the right side. 
 

 

Losing 2 LTs is tough. Maybe you could argue Fant should have stayed on the right side but let’s not get carried away here. 

[nj meadowlands]

OMG HERE COME THE ZACK APOLOGISTS WITH THE EXCUSES LOL CANT MAKE IT UP

[Warfish]

9 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

I am pulling for Zach big time.

We all are, even those of us pessimistic about him.

9 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

I like the kid.

I don't know him.  For me it isn't about like/dislike.

9 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

Do you guys really think he will prosper behind this makeshift piece of crap offensive line?  Really?

With all that talent, I think he should do as well or better than the guy he is replacing.

9 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

Then he comes back this week and gets killed and looks bad and what have we accomplished.

We'd be playing the #2 pick and "seeing what we got". 

Which, so I'm told, is what 2022 is all about.

9 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

I am a huge fan of Joe D, but he has botched this O line big time.

Indeed.  He's had several years, and it's hard to say the O-line is better than it was the day he got here.

9 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

Are we going to really find out what we have in Zach this year?

I hope so.  I don't want to waste yet another year "finding out what we got".

9 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

Not until we have a legit O Line and the kid isn't running for his life.

So you're already of the view that we cannot evaluate Zach till 2023?  And even then only if we have a great O-line?

9 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

  So frustrating man.  Get if fixed Joe D! 

It is indeed.

[BigRy56]

Disagree. He has been set up for success and now is the time to produce results. No excuses.

Next week may be rough on the OL, but Duane Brown will be back for Week 5 and George Fant should be good to go by then as well

[Claymation]

These are the cards that he has been dealt with, time to perform.

[kdels62]

No

[kevinc855]

It's the NFL, injuries happen to every team. He still has his starting C and both Guards out there in addition to his starting TE's, WRs and RBs. 

Time for Zach to show he belongs. Period. 

[JetsFanatic]

13 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

I am pulling for Zach big time.  I like the kid.  He has real talent, but every time he is in there, something is going on with the Jets.  Do you guys really think he will prosper behind this makeshift piece of crap offensive line?  Really?  Then he comes back this week and gets killed and looks bad and what have we accomplished.  I am a huge fan of Joe D, but he has botched this O line big time.  Are we going to really find out what we have in Zach this year?  Not until we have a legit O Line and the kid isn't running for his life.  So frustrating man.  Get if fixed Joe D! 

Ridiculous. The Jets have provided him with talented skill position players.  To me the jury is still out on Zach but a good QB can make the line look better. Also yesterday Salah said Brown will return to practice  next week when he is off IR. Hopefully he can return for the Dolphin game and stablize the LT position. 

[GreenFish]

100% disagree. Stop making excuses.

Zach will be fine.

[xJayce]

8 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

I am pulling for Zach big time.  I like the kid.  He has real talent, but every time he is in there, something is going on with the Jets.  Do you guys really think he will prosper behind this makeshift piece of crap offensive line?  Really?  Then he comes back this week and gets killed and looks bad and what have we accomplished.  I am a huge fan of Joe D, but he has botched this O line big time.  Are we going to really find out what we have in Zach this year?  Not until we have a legit O Line and the kid isn't running for his life.  So frustrating man.  Get if fixed Joe D! 

He is not set up to fail.

Investments in all positions on the Offense (other than QB):

• Receiver picked at 10th overall
• Running back taken in the 2nd round
• Two new FA TEs added, each TE having more receiving yards than the entire Jets TE corps last year
• Two additional Pro bowl caliber OL added (Brown and Tomlinson)
• Rookie OL added through the draft (who appears to be a possible long term starter)

The GM has done his job. He's fielded a talented offense...

Then the coaching staff then put in a 37 year old washed up QB for 3 games because "he gives us the best chance to win", even though he was graded amongst the worst in the league (feels like Adam Gase all over again with Frank Gore) and has not won a game in 3 years.

And the QB played like a QB who hasn't won a game in 3 years, other than on magical moment at the end of game 2.

I would have loved to have seen White in there at one point, or even Streveler, just because.

However, back to Zack. If he comes in and fails with this group, then he will simply not succeed. The situation at LT is unfortunate, but there are ways the coaching staff should help support (keeping an RB or TE to help block, more short passes, a couple screens to slow the D down, etc).

[August]

How is he set up to fail? He has a good receiving corp, good TE’s, good RB’s. Decent oline and a good defense backing him up. 

[tommyduhamelshouse]

Zach is screwed.

We are all screwed.

[y2k8]

 

Pittsburg is going to blitz the ever loving hell out of him on Sunday. 

Zack either makes them pay or crumbles like the rookie he was last year.

This will be a good test to see if he actually is the prince that was promised.

I very much doubt he is, but he can prove us all wrong and vindicate the fanboys. 

[undertow]

[genot]

Give Douglas credit. He saw Sam, was set up to fail, and made the moves he needed to make, so it wouldn't happen with his guy. No excuses  if Wilson fails, it's because he sucks.I have to say, though, that Corey Davis is approaching drive killer status. Which sucks, because he's our big target guy, that every QB wants. Maybe we should see what Denzel can do out there. If only to send a message to Davis to get his sh.. together or else. Similar to my feelings about activating Huff, and giving him the bulk of snaps over Lawson

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

? 

[slimjasi]

Nope. Zach has a great opportunity to grow with a very good (and young) WR group and two very talented (and young) backs to put up some good numbers and points.

He'll have to survive until Brown or Fant get back, but every team has injuries. 

No excuses. 

[SuicidalSince98]

Nonsense. You don’t need a left tackle to be a functioning offense 

[56mehl56]

5 minutes ago, y2k8 said:

 

Pittsburg is going to blitz the ever loving hell out of him on Sunday. 

Zack either makes them pay or crumbles like the rookie he was last year.

This will be a good test to see if he actually is the prince that was promised.

I very much doubt he is, but he can prove us all wrong and vindicate the fanboys. 

Its not like Pittsburgh wasn't going to blitz the hell out of Flacco if he played , what makes this so different . 

[Fantasy Island]

BYU is going to do his thing.  Maybe he gets it.

But the preseason, albeit very small sample size, proved he is what he is.

Bad......

[Jet Nut]

On 9/27/2022 at 10:27 AM, nj meadowlands said:

OMG HERE COME THE ZACK APOLOGISTS WITH THE EXCUSES LOL CANT MAKE IT UP

But you just did make it up.  No one is making excuses.

The OL was an issue for Flacco and will be an issue for ZW or whoever lines up under center

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

5 minutes ago, SuicidalSince98 said:

Nonsense. You don’t need a left tackle to be a functioning offense 

How many NFL teams have 2 starting caliber LTs, let alone 3 or 4

Did you see the 49er game after TW went down 

[Jet Nut]

3 minutes ago, Fantasy Island said:

BYU is going to do his thing.  Maybe he gets it.

But the preseason, albeit very small sample size, proved he is what he is.

Bad......

Yeah, that one pass again.  Can’t get over a QB throwing an interception 

[Obrien2Toon]

And here we go…..

[Lith]

1 hour ago, Untouchable said:

No more excuses

The kid is walking into a situation this year where he has one of the more talented WR corps in the league, a good young 1-2 punch in the backfield, and a pair of TE’s who both went over 500 yards and 5+ TD’s last season.

I don’t give a sh*t if he doesn’t have the 80’s Hogs in front of him.

If he’s the QB we drafted him to be then he should be able to at least produce above-average results with that in Year 2.

This.  Even if we are down to a 4th string LT, or a banged up Fant trying to survive.  How about a game plan that features the running game, short drops and getting the ball out quickly.  Other teams have done it to us.  We actually have WRs who can get open and a couple of tight ends and RBs who can catch.  Feature those guys.  Build a game plan to the situation and let Zach try to execute it.  No excuses.

[Dcat]

32 minutes ago, ganggreen305 said:

I am pulling for Zach big time.  I like the kid.  He has real talent, but every time he is in there, something is going on with the Jets.  Do you guys really think he will prosper behind this makeshift piece of crap offensive line?  Really?  Then he comes back this week and gets killed and looks bad and what have we accomplished.  I am a huge fan of Joe D, but he has botched this O line big time.  Are we going to really find out what we have in Zach this year?  Not until we have a legit O Line and the kid isn't running for his life.  So frustrating man.  Get if fixed Joe D! 

Here come the Zach excuses.  Just stop.  We already went through this with Sanchez, with Darnold.. just stop.  Good QBs in the NFL still play well despite OL issues.  Its the crap QBs that fall apart.  I.e.  Sanchez, Darnold.

Zach has not earned any excuses.  Sorry.  

[y2k8]

10 minutes ago, 56mehl56 said:

Its not like Pittsburgh wasn't going to blitz the hell out of Flacco if he played , what makes this so different . 

We already know what Flacco is. 

[Dcat]

12 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Nope. Zach has a great opportunity to grow with a very good (and young) WR group and two very talented (and young) backs to put up some good numbers and points.He'll have to survive until Brown or Fant get back, but every team has injuries. No excuses. 

^ This.  Good QBs can deal with OL struggles and still be productive. Ppl here are starting in with the Zach excuses before he even takes a snap.  If he's any good, he'll play through the OL struggles.

[Jet Nut]

It’s not excuses but it is a fact,  QBs being hit and harassed don’t perform as well as with protection.  Brady struggled  in games he was harassed and Mahomes did in the SB when his protection broke down.  
Its why we scream for our DL to sack and harass a QB.  
it’s not an excuse, you can still play or win even

[Asymmetrical]

Lamar Jackson is putting up unspeakable numbers behind his 4th string LT. I think the expectation is that Wilson should be able to play competent football at the least. Go operate the offense, take care of the ball, play some point guard with the skill players at his disposal.