How Confident Are You In Darnold?

[Mogglez]

15 minutes ago, JiF said:

Confident.  
 

I think he’s forced to be perfect on this team.  Once he has some reliable help in the running game and pass protection, he will be dangerous.

Pretty much where I'm at.

[SummerofSam14]

He’s got no chance. Gase completely ruined him. 

[CTJetsFan]

I was a firm believer before the season. I'm still pretty sure he can be the guy but a) Douglas needs to get him some help and b) Gase could ruin this kid if the organization doesn't keep a short leash on him (Gase)

[Mogglez]

3 minutes ago, Warfish said:

I thought we drafted a franchise QB who could put the team on his back.

Seems we drafted a Sanchez-type, who needs a great O-line, great WR's and great RB's in order to succeed.

Or am I misreading all the "Sam can;t win without a great roster around him" talk this year?  

Sanchez couldn't manage a loaded roster.  If you truly thought he was bad his entire tenure here, it'd be pitiful to watch him play on this team.

I don't think Sam is Sanchez.  If he even had the Bills roster around him I think he is significantly better.

[section314]

Just now, Mogglez said:

Sanchez couldn't manage a loaded roster.  If you truly thought he was bad his entire tenure here, it'd be pitiful to watch him play on this team.

I don't think Sam is Sanchez.  If he even had the Bills roster around him I think he is significantly better.

Sanchez was an over drafted bum. Sam is a good NFL QB, who will only get better. With a new coach, hopefully.

[Grandy]

Sam's numbers and play so far is a big "meh", but I do like the fact that he finished with a winning record on this decimated team.

He definitely does need to show more. He's made some good plays but nothing earth shattering.

Some people say that he needs to cut down on stupid throws, I can kinda agree but outside of 2 games he was excellent at protecting the ball. I will actually argue that all he needs to become very good is developing just an adequate deep ball. He's shown very good things throwing intermediate, but the amount of missed plays this year due to his inability to hit a receiver deep in stride is the most concerning aspect of his game.

 

[Mogglez]

5 minutes ago, Grandy said:

Sam's numbers and play so far is a big "meh", but I do like the fact that he finished with a winning record on this decimated team.

He definitely does need to show more. He's made some good plays but nothing earth shattering.

Some people say that he needs to cut down on stupid throws, I can kinda agree but outside of 2 games he was excellent and protecting the ball. I will actually argue that all he needs to become very good is developing just an adequate deep ball. He's shown very good things throwing intermediate, but the amount of missed plays this year due to his inability to hit a receiver deep in stride is the most concerning aspect of his game.

 

13 Games, 21 total TDs (19 passing/2 rushing) and 13 picks, 3,024 yards, and a big improvement on completion percentage (61.9% from 57.7% despite having having the same YPA).

Honestly, given the state of this roster, I'm ok with it.  Give him more weapons and an O-Line and I think you'll see a large leap.

[PS17]

I’m less confident now than I was at the start of the year. 

[Grandy]

4 minutes ago, PS17 said:

I’m less confident now than I was at the start of the year. 

The sky is blue.

[NYJ1]

I say probably? Sammy has a lot to work on but I know he is miles better than Sanchez.

[UnitedWhofans]

It really depends on what your definition of franchise QB is. 

[Icer]

I have no doubt he will be the QB of this team for at least the rookie contract + one extension period. Whether he makes the jump from ok/good to great I am less confident than when the season started though

[Big_Slick]

Surround Sam with the talent that the Browns or Dallas has and the Jets have a legit shot at the SB.

[Drums]

I think he looked his best when he had a TE to throw to, and that is something he seems to really need to be more consistent--hasn't had that the last few weeks and struggled. So, hard to say right now but I felt better this time last year than I do right now. 

[Morrissey]

Hasn’t shown the skill set to be  an elite QB. Arm strength is question, accuracy is inconsistent, field vision is poor. 

[CurtMart]

2 hours ago, BurnleyJet said:

Darnold can play, he needs a line and weapons.

And a coach. 

[joewilly12]

[RutgersJetFan]

Everything we have that’s predictively reliable in terms of isolating his impact on wins says he’s probably bad. Nothing is ever 100% but I do know that’s not good. 

[Matt39]

32nd in DVOA and DYAR. Was 30th in both last season. Blind hope at this point.

[Jet hustle]

3 hours ago, nico002 said:

100% confident in Darnold 

45% confident in Gase 

 

F boy

[peebag]

2 hours ago, HawkeyeJet said:

I would need the defenition of Franchise QB first

I can give you the defecation of one.

[ljr]

Very confident that he will be our qb for the next 15 years

Performance-wise

Very confident he ups his #’s a step

Not as confident as i’d like for his year 3 performance to be where i’d hoped it would be when we drafted him




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[shawn306]

Once he gets an the O-Line rebuilt and another year in Gase's offense he is going to be really good.

[Dunnie]

20 % ...has a LOT to prove

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[carlito1171]

He’s worth developing further....ton to like about him but can make boneheaded decisions at times(he’s decreased this as the season went on)....won’t truly know what he is until OL is improved and he gets a bonafide weapon or 2....The way he bounced back from that seeing ghosts game over the back half of the season is truly impressive

[JoeWillieWhiteShoesHOF]

2 hours ago, Mogglez said:

Sanchez couldn't manage a loaded roster.  If you truly thought he was bad his entire tenure here, it'd be pitiful to watch him play on this team.

I don't think Sam is Sanchez.  If he even had the Bills roster around him I think he is significantly better.

Absolutely no comparison between the two.

I seriously have doubts as to whether Sanchez could have won just one single solitary game playing with what has been around Darnold for 2 years now.  It’s documented evidence by clock time that Darnold is “the Most Chased QB in the NFL”, you think Sanchez could have dealt with that?  Receivers virtually Never getting any separation, the only time Sanchez ever showed accuracy was his uncanny ability to hit a receivers trailing foot on a crossing route.  How would Sanchez have dealt with that?  And lastly...Zero Running game...that’s all Sanchez was good for, someone to have the ball off to backs who had the BEST OL in front of them, not the WORST as Darnold has had his entire short career.

I doubt Sanchez could complete 40% of his passes playing for the 2018 and 2019 Jets.

Darnold even put up some 30 Point games this year.  Did Sanchez?  Ever?  I’m serious.

You’d get happy seeing the guy with 200 yards passing on his stat line.

[SummerofSam14]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

32nd in DVOA and DYAR. Was 30th in both last season. Blind hope at this point.

That was Ryan Tannehill last year. Seems like there is a common denominator there.

[Guilhermezmc]

As of right now I don't see It, next year will be huge for him.

[Newjetsfan]

Okay,  so Darnold wasn't  great and inconsistent at times but had above .500 record.  

Over 3000 yards in 13 games, 19TD/13int.

Likely QBR around 50ish, around average starting QB

Let me ask which of the below on our team is average or above?

OWNER...way below...possible bottom 5

GM...unproven...but hopeful. However, Mac was perhaps the worst...so below average 2019

Head Coach...again maybe better than Kitchens?  Bottom 5

O Coordinator ...every game, puzzling play calling

Oline: arguably the worst

Running backs: should be above average but one of the worst statistically..see oline and coaching

WR...above average slot, inconsistent #1, overall I would say below average group, I mean which recieving group you wouldn't  swap with?

TE...who wouldn't you trade with?

Do you actually believe:

Josh Allen or Baker would put up better number than darnold if they were here?

Do you believe Dak Prescott would do better?

Even Lamar Jackson would be pedestrian here imo.  He has a head coach and the organization that seems to move in unison, and they understand how to maximize the talent that they have...If he were a Jet, Jetsian way would hamstring LJ from the top down.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[C Mart]

1 hour ago, Drums said:

I think he looked his best when he had a TE to throw to, and that is something he seems to really need to be more consistent--hasn't had that the last few weeks and struggled. So, hard to say right now but I felt better this time last year than I do right now. 

Excellent point about how he was playing best when Griffin was involved. 
 

[Losmeister]

6 hours ago, Warfish said:

he'd have the W/L record he has today, and the low production he's had up till now, and two seasons incomplete with injuries/illness, not ONE would have believed it.  Nor been happy with that.  

this. ALL THOSE DRAFT PICKS FOR THIS?

[Skeet Ulrich]

I'm confident he'll be the Jet QB for 10 years.

I'm also confident he won't ever be a top 5 QB in this league. Too many warts in his game.

[C Mart]

6 hours ago, Skeet Ulrich said:

I'm confident he'll be the Jet QB for 10 years.

I'm also confident he won't ever be a top 5 QB in this league. Too many warts in his game.

What warts do you see? And are they correctable?

[freestater]

13 hours ago, Warfish said:

I thought we drafted a franchise QB who could put the team on his back.

Seems we drafted a Sanchez-type, who needs a great O-line, great WR's and great RB's in order to succeed.

Or am I misreading all the "Sam can;t win without a great roster around him" talk this year?  

I'm of the mindset that the o-line is the help your QB needs. The skills position guys get made better by their QB. While a QB can shift and slide in the pocket, the line still needs to create a pocket to begin with. He should be the one to elevate the players around him. And, to be clear, I think he does just that. When Robby Anderson has Fitztragic et al throwing to him, he's not going to look like he's worth the money whoever is going to give him. Young receiver early in the draft (not rd1) and I think we should be fine. Lots of good backs and TEs on this team. The Jets are doing their best impression of the Texans trying to ruin David Carr. If they dont shore up his protection, they'll succeed. 

[UntouchableCrew]

I still believe in Darnold. He has traits and skills you can't teach and we've all seen flashes. On a good team, with good talent around him he has extremely high potential.

That said

1) I am less confident he's "the guy" now than I was this time last year. I was expecting a massive leap. He didn't make one.

2) Sometimes his decision making is just baffling. I suppose in a season where the offensive line was sieve and he was talking about seeing ghosts it's a good thing that he hasn't had his confidence shaken but man, sometimes he just makes idiotic throws that blow your mind. For all the talk of how he's cut down the INTs he easily could have had 3+ yesterday.

3) His mechanics are still terrible and his deep ball accuracy seemed to take a step back this year.

I am still optimistic. Really want to see what Joe Douglas does this offseason. He's still 22 for crying out loud. But we really need to crush the offseason. We're saddled with Gase so I guess we need to get the right guys for "his system" we might as well go all in.