Now MULTIPLE cases being brought against watson

[Savage69]

43 minutes ago, freestater said:

And in jets lore, a scapegoat was Eric Mangini 

And with the Browns also??

[GreenFish]

32 minutes ago, AFJF said:

Now up to six women making claims, three cases already filed.

 

This escalated quickly. Texans fans about to wish they would have accepted an offer already. Too late now. This is going to have to play out in court or get settled. 

[RutgersJetFan]

Here is the second complaint:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20516369/new-watson-lawsuit.pdf

[Skeptable]

38 minutes ago, Jet Nut said:

And wtf does that have to do with the Easterby, the owner being a racist and this being a hit job on Watson?  Easterby had nothing to do with DeHop, the reason behind Johnson and Watts comments.  

You should stop researching and think for a minute.

 

Read more

[Spoot-Face]

15 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Here is the second complaint:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/20516369/new-watson-lawsuit.pdf

Okay, reading some of the wording, it looks like it was copy and pasted from the first woman's complaint, and then edited to fit the new complaint, lol.

I mean, it is from the same lawyer, so it's not so weird. Just kinda funny.

 

EDIT: Okay, it was really only the first paragraph that looked similar.

[rayzor]

We’re up to 6 accusers.  I’m sure they just interviewed every masseuse he’s ever used.

[southtown24th]

they ain't trading him for sh*t now

bad timing

[genot]

8 minutes ago, southtown24th said:

they ain't trading him for sh*t now

bad timing

Nobody would trade for him now. He might not play this year because of a league suspension

[Doggin94it]

5 hours ago, prime21 said:

None of this is good. The lawyer brought this upon himself by going public with such a sensitive issue. He has now had his children threatened. What a really dumb and careless move by him.

I hope none of this is true but it’s not about football at this point.



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Holy ****, did you really just say "he deserved to have his children threatened"? What the hell is wrong with you? Relatedly, could you give me the full and complete list of things someone can do that would make you say "he brought this on himself" if he has his kids threatened? Is it just "publicizing a lawsuit against a famous athlete"? Or is it a broader list?

4 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I think if this lawyer thought he had a case, he’d file a criminal complaint and stay the **** off of Instagram with it.

No. That's not how it works. There's no "file a criminal complaint" for a private lawyer, he makes his living from filing lawsuits, and given the specifics of this defendant and these allegations, publicity helps his client potentially leverage a bigger settlement.

Is it a slimeball move? Yes. Is it how I'd have handled this case had it walked into my office? **** no. Does it tell you anything at all about whether the allegations were true or false? No. Not even a little bit.

4 hours ago, jetstream23 said:

Wow.  Sad and concerning on multiple levels.  I'm not a lawyer so I can't weigh in on the risks of someone filing false claims if that's what's happening here, but 4 suits filed seems like more than a one-off so there's some serious smoke here.  On the other hand, this comes out on the first day of the new league year?  It comes from an attorney that is supposedly close to the McNairs?  @Paradis had it right, this will be a circus!  And perhaps that's exactly what it's meant to be, although I have no idea why the Texans would have any single thing to do with devaluing an asset of theirs.  If Watson was a FA then this drives down the price and the Texans maybe find a way to keep him, but he's under contract.  If they're involved then they're shooting themselves in the foot.

There's little to no risk [edit: to the plaintiffs or their lawyer] of a false filing here. These are all he-said-she-said cases (at least the two that have been made public) with allegations about Watson's supposed conduct when he was alone with these women, with no other witnesses. Even if a jury finds for Watson, all that will mean is they didn't buy the women's story - it's not proof they were lying, so there's never going to be a perjury charge. And claims made in litigation are absolutely privileged from defamation, so Watson can't countersue for libel. 

With Buzbee publicly trolling for plaintiffs on "similar" cases, I wouldn't be surprised if they're getting false reports calling in with bogus claims against Watson from people looking to be paid. But I'm sure they're also vetting these plaintiffs for at least some real evidence of contact with Watson. The second plaintiff, for example, likely has evidence she was flown in from Atlanta by Watson, which ... that's really not good for him if and when this gets to a jury.

4 hours ago, Skeptable said:

If true then a real lawyer would file a criminal case in court... Not a civil case on Instagram... If a criminal case is or will be filed I would drastically change my tune 

3 hours ago, Bugg said:

If any of them went to the cops, then and in that event, would look at this very differently. But this is 4 girls looking for a payday, possiblly at the behest of a local businessman who owns the local NFL team. 

That is literally not how any of this works. Do either of you know any actual lawyers? Or are you just working off having watched lawyer TV shows?

Also, there is exactly zero chance any criminal case gets filed on any of these allegations, because the burden of proof is so high (beyond a reasonable doubt) that there's basically no likelihood of a conviction for assault in a case where the only evidence of the allegedly criminal conduct is the victim's word. No prosecutor would bring this claim.

Also, I guess you both would have taken the same approach to the folks who sued the Catholic Diocese of Orange for the sexual abuse they suffered? Only a civil suit, no criminal cases - obviously, they were just looking for a payday, right? 

Given that your approach would have been so clearly wrong there ... maybe consider that it might not be the foolproof method for sorting out valid claims from money-grabs that you seem to think it is?

 

3 hours ago, Bowles Movement said:

The lawyers on this site are free to correct me but I think the burden of proof in a civil matter is much less and there is renumeration, which isnt part of most criminal trials.

Yep

2 hours ago, Bugg said:

Giant step back; goes without saying there's no excuse for sexual assault. But increasingly we have a society that wants to repeal the laws of attaction. Coming to the point you'lll have to have a notarized and witnessed authorization before you can kiss a member of the opposite sex.  Also, porn s"sex work" and Cardi B "singing" about her body parts, totally cool. 

Is there a human-sized dumpster available? Because "the laws of attraction" generally include both people being willing before you move from attraction to physicality.

2 hours ago, ChewyandtheJets said:

There’s an old line that if you follow a man on the road for 500 miles you can catch him doing something wrong.  Seems like Watson frequents a rub and tug massage place.  It seems like he was followed by a cop or detective.   It seems like whoever hired this detective threatened the “Massueses” to either testify or get busted for prostitution.  And the 4 girls who complained most likely all work at the same place.   Just supposition but if you are a person in the public eye it is dangerous times out there.  Never been so happy to be anonymous.  

These two women don't even live and work in the same city. I know you worked really hard making that aluminum chapeau and I'd hate to see that much effort go to waste, but is it really that hard to ask you people to read the publicly available complaints so you can see exactly what's being alleged before you make an idiot of yourself by commenting?

[Savage69]

20 minutes ago, Darnold Schwarzenegger said:

Apparently deshaun watson likes the thumb up the butt

Why not hire a dude masseuse if you want the "inner part of your anus" massaged?

He should have bought a gerbil..

[Mogglez]

Not gonna lie.  This looks really bad for Deshaun on paper, but “innocent until proven guilty”.

[Spoot-Face]

11 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Holy ****, did you really just say "he deserved to have his children threatened"? What the hell is wrong with you? Relatedly, could you give me the full and complete list of things someone can do that would make you say "he brought this on himself" if he has his kids threatened? Is it just "publicizing a lawsuit against a famous athlete"? Or is it a broader list?

No. That's not how it works. There's no "file a criminal complaint" for a private lawyer, he makes his living from filing lawsuits, and given the specifics of this defendant and these allegations, publicity helps his client potentially leverage a bigger settlement.

Is it a slimeball move? Yes. Is it how I'd have handled this case had it walked into my office? **** no. Does it tell you anything at all about whether the allegations were true or false? No. Not even a little bit.

There's little to no risk [edit: to the plaintiffs or their lawyer] of a false filing here. These are all he-said-she-said cases (at least the two that have been made public) with allegations about Watson's supposed conduct when he was alone with these women, with no other witnesses. Even if a jury finds for Watson, all that will mean is they didn't buy the women's story - it's not proof they were lying, so there's never going to be a perjury charge. And claims made in litigation are absolutely privileged from defamation, so Watson can't countersue for libel. 

With Buzbee publicly trolling for plaintiffs on "similar" cases, I wouldn't be surprised if they're getting false reports calling in with bogus claims against Watson from people looking to be paid. But I'm sure they're also vetting these plaintiffs for at least some real evidence of contact with Watson. The second plaintiff, for example, likely has evidence she was flown in from Atlanta by Watson, which ... that's really not good for him if and when this gets to a jury.

That is literally not how any of this works. Do either of you know any actual lawyers? Or are you just working off having watched lawyer TV shows?

Also, there is exactly zero chance any criminal case gets filed on any of these allegations, because the burden of proof is so high (beyond a reasonable doubt) that there's basically no likelihood of a conviction for assault in a case where the only evidence of the allegedly criminal conduct is the victim's word. No prosecutor would bring this claim.

Also, I guess you both would have taken the same approach to the folks who sued the Catholic Diocese of Orange for the sexual abuse they suffered? Only a civil suit, no criminal cases - obviously, they were just looking for a payday, right? 

Given that your approach would have been so clearly wrong there ... maybe consider that it might not be the foolproof method for sorting out valid claims from money-grabs that you seem to think it is?

 

Yep

Is there a human-sized dumpster available? Because "the laws of attraction" generally include both people being willing before you move from attraction to physicality.

These two women don't even live and work in the same city. I know you worked really hard making that aluminum chapeau and I'd hate to see that much effort go to waste, but is it really that hard to ask you people to read the publicly available complaints so you can see exactly what's being alleged before you make an idiot of yourself by commenting?

Damn, I foresee another sexual assault lawsuit because Doggin just made this thread his b*tch.

[Charlie Brown]

5 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Not gonna lie.  This looks really bad for Deshaun on paper, but “innocent until proven guilty”.

The Jets are not trading for a guy facing this kind of thing .....IMO!!!

[Pac]

4 minutes ago, Spoot-Face said:

Why does anything concerning a man's butt automatically have to mean gay?

Everyone has a butt, not just gay dudes.

I had a feeling it was a bad idea to open this thread and this post is the first thing I see..

 

[Dcat]

7 minutes ago, Charlie Brown said:

The Jets are not trading for a guy facing this kind of thing .....IMO!!!

nope. Not a chance now.  The entire landscape of the off season has changed.

[Smashmouth]

23 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Holy ****, did you really just say "he deserved to have his children threatened"? What the hell is wrong with you? Relatedly, could you give me the full and complete list of things someone can do that would make you say "he brought this on himself" if he has his kids threatened? Is it just "publicizing a lawsuit against a famous athlete"? Or is it a broader list?

No. That's not how it works. There's no "file a criminal complaint" for a private lawyer, he makes his living from filing lawsuits, and given the specifics of this defendant and these allegations, publicity helps his client potentially leverage a bigger settlement.

Is it a slimeball move? Yes. Is it how I'd have handled this case had it walked into my office? **** no. Does it tell you anything at all about whether the allegations were true or false? No. Not even a little bit.

There's little to no risk [edit: to the plaintiffs or their lawyer] of a false filing here. These are all he-said-she-said cases (at least the two that have been made public) with allegations about Watson's supposed conduct when he was alone with these women, with no other witnesses. Even if a jury finds for Watson, all that will mean is they didn't buy the women's story - it's not proof they were lying, so there's never going to be a perjury charge. And claims made in litigation are absolutely privileged from defamation, so Watson can't countersue for libel. 

With Buzbee publicly trolling for plaintiffs on "similar" cases, I wouldn't be surprised if they're getting false reports calling in with bogus claims against Watson from people looking to be paid. But I'm sure they're also vetting these plaintiffs for at least some real evidence of contact with Watson. The second plaintiff, for example, likely has evidence she was flown in from Atlanta by Watson, which ... that's really not good for him if and when this gets to a jury.

That is literally not how any of this works. Do either of you know any actual lawyers? Or are you just working off having watched lawyer TV shows?

Also, there is exactly zero chance any criminal case gets filed on any of these allegations, because the burden of proof is so high (beyond a reasonable doubt) that there's basically no likelihood of a conviction for assault in a case where the only evidence of the allegedly criminal conduct is the victim's word. No prosecutor would bring this claim.

Also, I guess you both would have taken the same approach to the folks who sued the Catholic Diocese of Orange for the sexual abuse they suffered? Only a civil suit, no criminal cases - obviously, they were just looking for a payday, right? 

Given that your approach would have been so clearly wrong there ... maybe consider that it might not be the foolproof method for sorting out valid claims from money-grabs that you seem to think it is?

 

Yep

Is there a human-sized dumpster available? Because "the laws of attraction" generally include both people being willing before you move from attraction to physicality.

These two women don't even live and work in the same city. I know you worked really hard making that aluminum chapeau and I'd hate to see that much effort go to waste, but is it really that hard to ask you people to read the publicly available complaints so you can see exactly what's being alleged before you make an idiot of yourself by commenting?

Doggin don't make me break out my LA Law VHS Tapes "Just Don't"

?

 

[RedBeardedSavage]

19 minutes ago, Doggin94it said:

Holy ****, did you really just say "he deserved to have his children threatened"? What the hell is wrong with you? Relatedly, could you give me the full and complete list of things someone can do that would make you say "he brought this on himself" if he has his kids threatened? Is it just "publicizing a lawsuit against a famous athlete"? Or is it a broader list?

No. That's not how it works. There's no "file a criminal complaint" for a private lawyer, he makes his living from filing lawsuits, and given the specifics of this defendant and these allegations, publicity helps his client potentially leverage a bigger settlement.

Is it a slimeball move? Yes. Is it how I'd have handled this case had it walked into my office? **** no. Does it tell you anything at all about whether the allegations were true or false? No. Not even a little bit.

There's little to no risk [edit: to the plaintiffs or their lawyer] of a false filing here. These are all he-said-she-said cases (at least the two that have been made public) with allegations about Watson's supposed conduct when he was alone with these women, with no other witnesses. Even if a jury finds for Watson, all that will mean is they didn't buy the women's story - it's not proof they were lying, so there's never going to be a perjury charge. And claims made in litigation are absolutely privileged from defamation, so Watson can't countersue for libel. 

With Buzbee publicly trolling for plaintiffs on "similar" cases, I wouldn't be surprised if they're getting false reports calling in with bogus claims against Watson from people looking to be paid. But I'm sure they're also vetting these plaintiffs for at least some real evidence of contact with Watson. The second plaintiff, for example, likely has evidence she was flown in from Atlanta by Watson, which ... that's really not good for him if and when this gets to a jury.

That is literally not how any of this works. Do either of you know any actual lawyers? Or are you just working off having watched lawyer TV shows?

Also, there is exactly zero chance any criminal case gets filed on any of these allegations, because the burden of proof is so high (beyond a reasonable doubt) that there's basically no likelihood of a conviction for assault in a case where the only evidence of the allegedly criminal conduct is the victim's word. No prosecutor would bring this claim.

Also, I guess you both would have taken the same approach to the folks who sued the Catholic Diocese of Orange for the sexual abuse they suffered? Only a civil suit, no criminal cases - obviously, they were just looking for a payday, right? 

Given that your approach would have been so clearly wrong there ... maybe consider that it might not be the foolproof method for sorting out valid claims from money-grabs that you seem to think it is?

 

Yep

Is there a human-sized dumpster available? Because "the laws of attraction" generally include both people being willing before you move from attraction to physicality.

These two women don't even live and work in the same city. I know you worked really hard making that aluminum chapeau and I'd hate to see that much effort go to waste, but is it really that hard to ask you people to read the publicly available complaints so you can see exactly what's being alleged before you make an idiot of yourself by commenting?

Thanks for sharing your knowledge and I respect that it likely took a bit of time to read through all this mess and write a fairly comprehensive response.

Much appreciated. 

[Smashmouth]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

Hello, I am deeply traumatized by an incidence of sexual assault, and I would like my high-profile lawyer to take my case to the highest <checks notes> social media platform possible.

"the dream is gone"

[JetFreak89]

I’m really trying to give the benefit of doubt here but doesn’t anyone else see the second plaintiff as having major red flags? For instance, only advertises her business through Instagram (the place many high end escorts use as well) - red flag. Hopes to one day get certified? So she isn’t even a professionally trained masseuse? Red flag. Says she is just starting out her business and isn’t well known but accepts a trip from Atlanta to Houston just to give Watson one massage in a hotel room? Red flag! All this while being a single mother of two children? Sorry something doesn’t compute here.


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[NYJets8]

6 hours ago, Skeptable said:

No this looks like a paid hit on Watson

Yeah ok 

[RutgersJetFan]

5 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I think if this lawyer thought he had a case, he’d file a criminal complaint and stay the **** off of Instagram with it.

Dude I love you but stop it. This isn’t how it works at all. 

[thebuzzardman]

Does this mean Watson is available for 3 first round picks instead of 4 now? 

[thebuzzardman]

Now that the situation with Deshaun's anus is somewhat clarified, maybe JD will get off his and sign some more players

[DoubleDown]

This is not looking good for Watson at all.

It always amazes me how many people (mostly men) rush to the defense of an accused man without any details of the allegations or insight into what took place.  Yes, he is "innocent until proven guilty," but the complete and outright dismissal of allegations right out of the gate without any sort of objective analysis is exactly why #MeToo did and had to happen.

[Beerfish]

[BurnleyJet]

3 hours ago, Savage69 said:

He should have bought a gerbil..

Where’s Richard Gere when you need him..

[BurnleyJet]

So it’s Zach Girlyman at #2 then.

[doitny]

3 hours ago, Charlie Brown said:

The Jets are not trading for a guy facing this kind of thing .....IMO!!!

why not. unless he gets a lifetime ban he will play again. so why not for us?

[BurnleyJet]

21 minutes ago, doitny said:

why not. unless he gets a lifetime ban he will play again. so why not for us?

Negative publicity, no one wants that, the timing isn’t coincidence. The lawyer’s a big Texans fan, he wants him at Houston.

He may have scared off the teams interested? - I’m also not saying the allegations aren’t true, but definite shenanigans are going on.

[doitny]

2 hours ago, DoubleDown said:

This is not looking good for Watson at all.

It always amazes me how many people (mostly men) rush to the defense of an accused man without any details of the allegations or insight into what took place.  Yes, he is "innocent until proven guilty," but the complete and outright dismissal of allegations right out of the gate without any sort of objective analysis is exactly why #MeToo did and had to happen.

i think its because how they came out. 

one complaint was from March 2020. the 2nd was Aug 2020. why now? they had plenty of time to make it then.

but we seen this too many times in politics . the wait and find as many women as they can and then release it at the time it can hurt you the most. but that also makes it look funny.

you want me to believe that there was one complaint and 10 hours or so 5 other women called the lawyer to add to the list? . no. this lawyer had them for months. 

if you dont want men to dismiss stuff like this then be honest. when you get a complain file the lawsuit, dont hold onto it for months or even years. 

[QB1]

what’s the crime here? Asking for a handjob is illegal? 

[T0mShane]

5 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Dude I love you but stop it. This isn’t how it works at all. 

I got a little animated over this. 

[Ben Had]

This whole mess is getting butt ugly! 

[CTM]

6 hours ago, DoubleDown said:

This is not looking good for Watson at all.

It always amazes me how many people (mostly men) rush to the defense of an accused man without any details of the allegations or insight into what took place.  Yes, he is "innocent until proven guilty," but the complete and outright dismissal of allegations right out of the gate without any sort of objective analysis is exactly why #MeToo did and had to happen.

Isnt the same thing true in terms of completely condemning the guy based on accusations that are being levied and gathered in kind of unscrupulous ways against a high profile target? This is just a forum full of mostly dumbasses speculating but the  social media post by the lawyer doesnt inspire confidence. Because of that, I tend to side towards doubting intentions of accusers here but clearly the facts will speak for themselves. Ie if there are text messages where hes apologizing or threatening that would be pretty conclusive.

[CTM]

59 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I got a little animated over this. 

He read a wiki