JTJet Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Jetsfan80 said: Players who produced similar numbers to Adams last year, and the average per year salaries on their current contracts (per overthecap.com): LB Jamie Collins, Lions (last year - Patriots) 58 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 7.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs $10M per season thru 2022 CB Logan Ryan, Free Agent (last year - Titans) 73 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 4.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 18 PDs, 4 TFLs $10M per season from 2017-19 LB Demario Davis, Saints 87 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 12 PDs, 11 TFLs $8M per season thru 2021 LB Cory Littleton, Raiders 78 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 3.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 6 TFLs $11.75M per season thru 2022 LB Jordan Hicks, Cardinals 93 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 6 PDs, 11 TFLs $8.5M per season thru 2022 EDGE Carlos Dunlap, Bengals 39 Solo Tackles, 0 INTs, 9.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 8 PDs, 13 TFLs $13.5M per season thru 2021 S Harrison Smith, Vikings 65 Solo Tackles, 3 INTs, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 11 PDs, 4 TFLs $10.25M per season thru 2021 S Malcolm Jenkins, Saints 63 Solo Tackles, 0 INTs, 2.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 8 PDs, 6 TFLs $8M per season thru 2023 EDGE Whitney Mercilus, Texans 33 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 7.5 Sacks, 4 FFs, 2 PDs, 9 TFLs $13.5M per season thru 2023 LB Lavonte David, Buccaneers 82 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 7 PDs, 10 TFLs $10M per season thru 2020 LB Joe Schobert, Jaguars 89 Solo Tackles, 4 INTs, 2.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs $10.75M per season thru 2024 S Vonn Bell, Bengals 66 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 1.5 Sacks, 2 FFs, 5 PDs, 4 TFLs $6M per season thru 2022 S Devin McCourty, Patriots 46 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 0.0 Sacks, 2 FFs, 7 PDs, 0 TFLs $11.5M per season thru 2024 Players who produced similar numbers to Jamal last year who are still on their rookie deals: LB Darius Leonard, Colts 71 Solo Tackles, 5 INTs, 2 FFs, 5.0 Sacks, 7 PDs, 7 TFLs 2018 2nd round pick LB Fred Warner, 49ers 89 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 3.0 Sacks, 3 FFs, 9 PDs, 7 TFLs 2018 3rd round pick EDGE T.J. Watt, Steelers 35 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 14.5 Sacks, 8 FFs, 8 PDs, 14 TFLs 2017 # 30 overall pick CB Jourdan Lewis, Cowboys 38 Solo Tackles, 2 INTs, 4.0 Sacks, 0 FFs, 6 PDs, 4 TFLs 2017 3rd round pick EDGE Yannick Ngakoue, Jaguars 36 Solo Tackles, 1 INT, 8.0 Sacks, 6 PDs, 13 TFLs 2016 3rd round pick I know I'm preaching to the choir on this one, for the most part. But for the rest of you, there's ample evidence to suggest Jamal Adams' actual worth and/or market value is a lot closer to $12M than it is $20M, and that his productivity can be replaced adequately for much less money/draft capital than Adams' draft pedigree and contract demands. Dude. Well done, that must have taken you forever to put together. Unless you copied it from somewhere, in that case....still well done lol. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marckry Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 After a review of 2020 salary and dead cap, here is a fair package (IMO), for Jamal Adams Jets trade Jamal Adams to Dallas and ask for in return Cee Dee Lamb - WR Tony Pollard - RB If you could expand the deal, Jets throw in Leveon Bell and Cowboys add OT Tyron Smith Jets add in basic deal a stud WR to go along with Mims and Crowder, and a young promising RB, and if the deal is expanded add a Pro Bowl OT to pair with Beckton and give Pollard the starting RB spot 1 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gastineau Lives Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 We'd be lucky to get Gallup and a 3 at this point. No way are they trading Lamb. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYDreamer Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 21 hours ago, choon328 said: Ed Reed had 21 ints at the end of his 3rd year. There is no comparison between the 2. They are two totally different players. Also Ed Reed was going into his franchise year and Adams is 2 years away from that. There was no 5th year option back then. I'm not sure what Gase has to do with Adams being a phony and completely trying to orchestrate a move to the Cowboys thru the press. The Jets should never, no matter what the offer is, trade him to Dallas. That would set a terrible precedent. Collin Coward said it well. Jamal Adams set the precedent at the Safety position. Look, I get the negativity that happens when it is played over and over again on Social media. When you draft a guy in the first round, you hope as a franchise he becomes a good player. Adams has become an All Pro player that could eventually wear a Gold Jacket Mohammed Wilkerson gone, Sheldon Richardson gone, Leonard Williams gone, the Louisville slugger Pryor gone. Jets finally drafted a player worthy of a contract because he is the top at his position. When you look back on players who were top at their position, Revis, Keyshawn, John Abraham how many people say we should have never gotten rid of that guy. Adams is that guy. Trading him away from the Jets to any other team sets an even worse precedent. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 I liked that ESPN article the other day where they polled seven of their writers on how to deal with Adams. The first question was, “Do you think Adams is good????” and the answers were all like: R1: OMG A TRANSFORMATIONAL JACKKNIFE R2: OMG A TRUE WINNER BEST PLAYER IN FOOTBALL R3: OMG LIKE LAWRENCE TAYLOR AND DEION COMBINED Then the second question was, “Would you trade two firsts for him????” And the answers were all: R1: BISH PLEASE ARE YOU NUTS? R2: TWO FIRSTs!?!?!? FOR A SAFETY?? FECK THAT! R3: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO The third question was, “Would you make him the highest paid safety in the game” R1: OMG DAWG PLZ **** THAT R2: JESUS CHRIST NO R3: I MEAN MAYBE BUT ONLY IF I WAS LAUNDERING CASH 3 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: I liked that ESPN article the other day where they polled seven of their writers on how to deal with Adams. The first question was, “Do you think Adams is good????” and the answers were all like: R1: OMG A TRANSFORMATIONAL JACKKNIFE R2: OMG A TRUE WINNER BEST PLAYER IN FOOTBALL R3: OMG LIKE LAWRENCE TAYLOR AND DEION COMBINED Then the second question was, “Would you trade two firsts for him????” And the answers were all: R1: BISH PLEASE ARE YOU NUTS? R2: TWO FIRSTs!?!?!? FOR A SAFETY?? FECK THAT! R3: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO The third question was, “Would you make him the highest paid safety in the game” R1: OMG DAWG PLZ **** THAT R2: JESUS CHRIST NO R3: I MEAN MAYBE BUT ONLY IF I WAS LAUNDERING CASH Interesting perspective. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jetlife33 Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 The CD Lamb trade proposals have to stop, no way are they trading him. 14 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
68JET11 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Marckry said: After a review of 2020 salary and dead cap, here is a fair package (IMO), for Jamal Adams Jets trade Jamal Adams to Dallas and ask for in return Cee Dee Lamb - WR Tony Pollard - RB If you could expand the deal, Jets throw in Leveon Bell and Cowboys add OT Tyron Smith Jets add in basic deal a stud WR to go along with Mims and Crowder, and a young promising RB, and if the deal is expanded add a Pro Bowl OT to pair with Beckton and give Pollard the starting RB spot Changed... I would ask for Ty Smith and in return for a 1st and Ty, I'd give them back Fant and Adams... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Marckry said: After a review of 2020 salary and dead cap, here is a fair package (IMO), for Jamal Adams Jets trade Jamal Adams to Dallas and ask for in return Cee Dee Lamb - WR Tony Pollard - RB If you could expand the deal, Jets throw in Leveon Bell and Cowboys add OT Tyron Smith Jets add in basic deal a stud WR to go along with Mims and Crowder, and a young promising RB, and if the deal is expanded add a Pro Bowl OT to pair with Beckton and give Pollard the starting RB spot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ElBarrioJets Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Marckry said: After a review of 2020 salary and dead cap, here is a fair package (IMO), for Jamal Adams Jets trade Jamal Adams to Dallas and ask for in return Cee Dee Lamb - WR Tony Pollard - RB If you could expand the deal, Jets throw in Leveon Bell and Cowboys add OT Tyron Smith Jets add in basic deal a stud WR to go along with Mims and Crowder, and a young promising RB, and if the deal is expanded add a Pro Bowl OT to pair with Beckton and give Pollard the starting RB spot That trade idea is batsh*t and will never happen. And it's "prospective" bud. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightBoyz Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 The Boys don't have the money & I don't see JD caving in n giving what Adam's wants. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I want to know since when does a player make personnel decisions? All this I'm trying to go to Dallas and I will miss playing with you BS on his twitter feed is just about the stupidest thing I have ever seen. Does anyone think BB would even take notice of any of this? Adams is only going to be traded if JD wants to do it, not because he wants to be traded. These threads need to stop already. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JTJet Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I liked that ESPN article the other day where they polled seven of their writers on how to deal with Adams. The first question was, “Do you think Adams is good????” and the answers were all like: R1: OMG A TRANSFORMATIONAL JACKKNIFE R2: OMG A TRUE WINNER BEST PLAYER IN FOOTBALL R3: OMG LIKE LAWRENCE TAYLOR AND DEION COMBINED Then the second question was, “Would you trade two firsts for him????” And the answers were all: R1: BISH PLEASE ARE YOU NUTS? R2: TWO FIRSTs!?!?!? FOR A SAFETY?? FECK THAT! R3: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO The third question was, “Would you make him the highest paid safety in the game” R1: OMG DAWG PLZ **** THAT R2: JESUS CHRIST NO R3: I MEAN MAYBE BUT ONLY IF I WAS LAUNDERING CASH Sums up virtually every segment of ESPN. Its unwatchable. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, NYDreamer said: Collin Coward said it well. Jamal Adams set the precedent at the Safety position. Look, I get the negativity that happens when it is played over and over again on Social media. When you draft a guy in the first round, you hope as a franchise he becomes a good player. Adams has become an All Pro player that could eventually wear a Gold Jacket Mohammed Wilkerson gone, Sheldon Richardson gone, Leonard Williams gone, the Louisville slugger Pryor gone. Jets finally drafted a player worthy of a contract because he is the top at his position. When you look back on players who were top at their position, Revis, Keyshawn, John Abraham how many people say we should have never gotten rid of that guy. Adams is that guy. Trading him away from the Jets to any other team sets an even worse precedent. Great players get traded all of the time in the NFL. That's one of the negatives of a salary cap system. Better players have been traded before now and will be after. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 32 minutes ago, T0mShane said: I liked that ESPN article the other day where they polled seven of their writers on how to deal with Adams. The first question was, “Do you think Adams is good????” and the answers were all like: R1: OMG A TRANSFORMATIONAL JACKKNIFE R2: OMG A TRUE WINNER BEST PLAYER IN FOOTBALL R3: OMG LIKE LAWRENCE TAYLOR AND DEION COMBINED Then the second question was, “Would you trade two firsts for him????” And the answers were all: R1: BISH PLEASE ARE YOU NUTS? R2: TWO FIRSTs!?!?!? FOR A SAFETY?? FECK THAT! R3: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO The third question was, “Would you make him the highest paid safety in the game” R1: OMG DAWG PLZ **** THAT R2: JESUS CHRIST NO R3: I MEAN MAYBE BUT ONLY IF I WAS LAUNDERING CASH Vintage form on this one. For the younger generation who may not know who you were. You should retire now to keep from further ruining your legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 23 minutes ago, choon328 said: Great players get traded all of the time in the NFL. That's one of the negatives of a salary cap system. Better players have been traded before now and will be after. Doesn't mean it's the right choice for the Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ohhthepain Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 The ship has sailed on CD Lamb. The only way was trading Adam's for 17 before the draft 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melly-Mel Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ohhthepain said: The ship has sailed on CD Lamb. The only way was trading Adam's for 17 before the draft Yeah i think you are correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 They wouldn’t do Lamb for Adams straight up no chance why would Dallas want Bell? to have 20% of their cap tied up in RBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: I liked that ESPN article the other day where they polled seven of their writers on how to deal with Adams. The first question was, “Do you think Adams is good????” and the answers were all like: R1: OMG A TRANSFORMATIONAL JACKKNIFE R2: OMG A TRUE WINNER BEST PLAYER IN FOOTBALL R3: OMG LIKE LAWRENCE TAYLOR AND DEION COMBINED Then the second question was, “Would you trade two firsts for him????” And the answers were all: R1: BISH PLEASE ARE YOU NUTS? R2: TWO FIRSTs!?!?!? FOR A SAFETY?? FECK THAT! R3: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO The third question was, “Would you make him the highest paid safety in the game” R1: OMG DAWG PLZ **** THAT R2: JESUS CHRIST NO R3: I MEAN MAYBE BUT ONLY IF I WAS LAUNDERING CASH He’s the Kardashians of the NFL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, JTJet said: Sums up virtually every segment of ESPN. Its unwatchable. Giving any panel on ESPN a question about proposed trades is really bound to make anyone slit their wrists 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 54 minutes ago, BUM-KNEE said: Doesn't mean it's the right choice for the Jets. The right choice prior to Adams crying like a baby was to trade him and acquire assets that will help Darnold and its still the right choice now. Jamal Adams plays at an all pro level and the Jets still stink. If Darnold plays at an all pro level they're a Super Bowl team. That's the best analogy to show how less important Adams is to the Jets than Darnold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 27 minutes ago, choon328 said: The right choice prior to Adams crying like a baby was to trade him and acquire assets that will help Darnold and its still the right choice now. Jamal Adams plays at an all pro level and the Jets still stink. If Darnold plays at an all pro level they're a Super Bowl team. That's the best analogy to show how less important Adams is to the Jets than Darnold. I don't agree that was the best/right choice. Players get peeved at their contract situation all the time too, it's not like JA is trodding a new path here. Bitching on social media/to the media is even a new thing. It's dumb and annoying, but not new. What JD did was the right move. Wait till the smoke clears on the season/cap and make an informed decision at that point. JA can complain but it doesn't change that fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_O_Brien Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Gallup is fine. But if we are grabbing a player + a pick from the Cowboys, I'd prefer La'el Collins, or Connor Williams. Either of them plus a second is a realistic haul. Flip the second to the Steelers for Juju. Juju plus an upgrade to the o-line helps Sam so much more in his development, than Adams ever could. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Werblin Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Jetlife33 said: The CD Lamb trade proposals have to stop, no way are they trading him. If Adams -- as an established All-Pro SS entering his prime -- cannot get a first round WR who has yet to play an NFL down in return, that speaks volumes to Adams worth. Perhaps JD should share with Adams the substance of any trade offers for Adams that he receives? Maybe that will bring Jamal back to earth and make him understand that the Jets actually value him more than any other team, and he just has to wait for his next contract because that is how this works. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lith Posted June 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, FlightBoyz said: The Boys don't have the money & I don't see JD caving in n giving what Adam's wants. I think JD has to always act in the best intersts of the Jets. In my mind, he should set a price he is willing to move Jamal for, and if he gets it, make the deal. If he gets his price from one of the teams Jamal wants to play for, so be it. If he can't get his price, then Jamal is under cotnract and will play for the Jets this season. JD's decision process should only be about making the Jets better. Best way to stick it to Jamal would be to build a winner without him. I don't care if Adams ultiamtely gets what he wants, I just want the Jets to win. With him or without him. 5 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lith said: I think JD has to always act in the best intersts of the Jets. In my mind, he should set a price he is willing to move Jamal for, and if he gets it, make the deal. If he gets his price from one of the teams Jamal wants to play for, so be it. If he can't get his price, then Jamal is under cotnract and will play for the Jets this season. JD's decision process should only be about making the Jets better. Best way to stick it to Jamal would be to build a winner without him. I don't care if Adams ultiamtely gets what he wants, I just want the Jets to win. With him or without him. The only answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost420 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 51 minutes ago, BUM-KNEE said: I don't agree that was the best/right choice. Players get peeved at their contract situation all the time too, it's not like JA is trodding a new path here. Bitching on social media/to the media is even a new thing. It's dumb and annoying, but not new. What JD did was the right move. Wait till the smoke clears on the season/cap and make an informed decision at that point. JA can complain but it doesn't change that fact. **** Jamal Adams 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, BUM-KNEE said: I don't agree that was the best/right choice. Players get peeved at their contract situation all the time too, it's not like JA is trodding a new path here. Bitching on social media/to the media is even a new thing. It's dumb and annoying, but not new. What JD did was the right move. Wait till the smoke clears on the season/cap and make an informed decision at that point. JA can complain but it doesn't change that fact. And Adams can’t simply sit out a year like Bell or Trent Williams. The jets have him under contract really for 3 more years let him b-tch on twitter like a 9 year old girl until JD gets a good offer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 If the Boys offer Lamb and a future 2nd JA is theirs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Ohhthepain said: The ship has sailed on CD Lamb. The only way was trading Adam's for 17 before the draft Cowboys already have Cooper and Gallup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, Philc1 said: And Adams can’t simply sit out a year like Bell or Trent Williams. The jets have him under contract really for 3 more years let him b-tch on twitter like a 9 year old girl until JD gets a good offer Agreed Phil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 The price for the Cowboys to get Adams should and likely will be higher than for any other team. Subtle punishment for veiled tampering I suppose. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
predator_05 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I'd offer jamal adams, my first born child, my collection of steak knives, a bag of doritos (cool ranch) and 1st round picks for the following 3 seasons in exchange for Ezekiel elliott. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jvill 51 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 hours ago, NYDreamer said: Collin Coward said it well. Jamal Adams set the precedent at the Safety position. Look, I get the negativity that happens when it is played over and over again on Social media. When you draft a guy in the first round, you hope as a franchise he becomes a good player. Adams has become an All Pro player that could eventually wear a Gold Jacket Mohammed Wilkerson gone, Sheldon Richardson gone, Leonard Williams gone, the Louisville slugger Pryor gone. Jets finally drafted a player worthy of a contract because he is the top at his position. When you look back on players who were top at their position, Revis, Keyshawn, John Abraham how many people say we should have never gotten rid of that guy. Adams is that guy. Trading him away from the Jets to any other team sets an even worse precedent. Here’s the thing, even setting aside his current bitch fest and the positional value arguments, and assuming he is the best player at his position: he still has 2 years left on his contract, and an additional 1-2 years of potential control via the franchise tag. He (and those that subscribe to the Colin Cowherd argument) wants the Jets to rip up the next 3-4 cost controlled years and hand him a new contract that sets a “precedent” for safeties, and pays him in the range of the highest paid defensive players in football. If he was a free agent and could fully explore his market value, that would be understandable. Fact of the matter is, as much Jamal seems to be deluded into thinking the opposite, he’s not a free agent. He wants to treat this like a business, well in any business there needs to be a give and take. In exchange for ripping up his current contract, Jamal needs to accept that the cost for his financial security will ultimately lower his yearly salary. It’s all about leverage, and right now he has very little. If he has a problem with that, his problem should not be with the Jets, it should be with the union for negotiating a deal that mandates 5 year contracts for 1st rounders with the option for tags extending that contract potentially a couple of more years. Again, leaving out the drama and positional value, the Jets would be incredibly stupid to forego the mountain of leverage on their side to hand out a record-breaking deal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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