Popular Post Action Zachtion Posted July 19, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 19, 2021 http://www.jetsfix.com/jets-fans-should-brace-themselves-for-a-possible-zach-wilson-holdout/ http://www.jetsfix.com/content/images/2017/04/icon.png Jets fans should brace themselves for a possible Zach Wilson holdout 09 MAY 2021 Having made their decision on their quarterback of the future and determined he's the best possible fit for their offense, the Jets clearly have a plan in place for his development. It should all be plain-sailing from here, right? Unfortunately, there may be one other key hurdle to overcome because Wilson is apparently represented by the same team that brought you such holdouts as those involving Roquan Smith, Aaron Donald and Joey Bosa. Don't think this was lost on Wilson and his family either. It would likely have been a selling point that these representatives used in order to secure his signature. Wilson, whose uncle is a billionaire entrepreneur, may have chosen this representation above all others because of their reputation for getting their clients a better deal, even on rookie contracts which have almost no room for negotiation. Rookie holdouts were supposed to be a thing of the past when the rookie contract scale was upgraded several years ago. Rookie deals for first rounders now must be four year deals with a fifth-year option and the dollar amount set in stone by their draft slot and the level of that season's salary cap, with no renegotiation allowed until after the third season. So, what is there even to negotiate? Recent holdouts have been over things like offset language, the timing of payments or the language surrounding the situations in which guaranteed money has to be returned. The Smith holdout, for example, was because there was a concern that he could be fined for a helmet-to-helmet hit and that this would cause him to lose guarantees. From a fan's perspective, it can be a frustrating and tense time, with anger to be directed at the player, his representatives and the team in equal measures. The message to the front office should be clear though: The fans want Zach Wilson in camp on time. The fans don't care about offset language. The fans don't care about non-guaranteed guarantees. The fans don't care about the timing of payments. Neither should you. Get him signed. You've made the commitment to Wilson by using the second pick on him, now sign him to a contract to get him into camp on time so this doesn't hang over the offseason like a Sword of Damocles. The Jets gave us a positive sign of their intent when they became the first NFL team to sign ANY 2021 rookie to a contract by inking Jamien Sherwood to a four-year deal on Wednesday and then following that up by signing their other five defensive draft picks on the first day of mini-camp. Hopefully, they take a similar no-nonsense get-it-done approach to Wilson's deal once the time comes to sign that. It's hard to know whether Sam Darnold's holdout, which only caused him to miss a day or two of camp, played any part in slowing his development, but the likes of Smith, Bosa and Donald's holdouts lasted deep into August. With preseason affected, could Wilson end up not being ready to start from the beginning of the 2021 season? While we shouldn't be so alarmist as to suggest that the backup quarterback position is a higher priority given the possibility of a training camp holdout, it should not be forgotten that this is a spot that still needs to be filled, in case Wilson has a setback for this or any other reason. Ultimately, if the Jets do get Wilson's deal done, this is perhaps cause for celebration - even more so than previous first round picks given the situation. However, let's not forget, of course, if the rookie deal is done without too much fuss, then the Jets could still end up in a tough negotiation in three years time if Wilson develops as well as hoped (or, worse, if he falls just short of expectations but is still looking for an extension. ----- This is short but mentions Wilson's team is known for holdouts and not giving in. JD seems hellbent on getting the better side of every deal. Only 3 first round rookies have not come to terms or signed and 2 of them are on the Jets. Hopefully all 3 Jet rookies are signed and report tomorrow. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinamite Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Our second round pick hasn't signed either (although he has the same agent as AVT and maybe even Joe D I believe). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestater Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 Post the article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sammybighead Posted July 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2021 Great, this nonsense again? just pay the kids what they’re slotted and let’s move on already 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SAR I Posted July 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2021 When Zach forces his way to Seattle you’ll all be cheering Joe Douglas as a genius for getting draft picks. SAR I 3 5 2 2 2 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Sammybighead said: Great, this nonsense again? just pay the kids what they’re slotted and let’s move on already It's usually not the money. These guys are slotted for salaries and 5th year options. It's usually contract language and things like offset provisions that cause problems. I remember Joey Bosa having a particularly acrimonious negotiation over offsets with the Chargers (as an example). 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DepressedJetsFan23 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 For a team with extra cap space wtf Is the difference in the grand scheme of things just sign the F**KING guys already F**K 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruce Harper Posted July 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2021 Offset language only comes into play if he doesn’t play out his rookie contract. Show some confidence in your decision on the number 2 pick. This is not the time to play hardball. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, DepressedJetsFan23 said: For a team with extra cap space wtf Is the difference in the grand scheme of things just sign the F**KING guys already F**K There's not much for rookies to negotiate anymore so agents tend to try to get as much as possible from the team. Some little concession that someone didn't previously get (usually focused around salary offset since it is one of the few areas they can do anything with). Since the agent needs to show some value to the client...they try to drive a hard bargain especially when they know the team has a public perception problem like the Jets do. The uproar if Zach doesn't make it into camp would be gigantic. Whether whatever quibble Zach's team wants is worth fighting or not, I don't know. Just have to trust Douglas knows the answer to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 So bring in a capable backup and see how fast Zack signs! We need one anyway. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Wilson better sign, **** with JD and he’ll be playing for free on his rookie deal 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Sammybighead said: Great, this nonsense again? just pay the kids what they’re slotted and let’s move on already It’s not the cash amount. It’s the offsetting language. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted July 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2021 Just give him the same language as Lawrence and call it a day. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantasy Island Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Don’t want another Idzik or Mac. Just pay the ****ing contract that is slotted for that pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Treehorn Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 Oh ye darn fools! This has been along time a coming! The prefeeeeerred choice is already signed and in the building! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, jetstream23 said: It's usually not the money. These guys are slotted for salaries and 5th year options. It's usually contract language and things like offset provisions that cause problems. I remember Joey Bosa having a particularly acrimonious negotiation over offsets with the Chargers (as an example). Yup. It’s going to be the same deal. I’d say probably 2,3 day holdout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Just give him the same language as Lawrence and call it a day. Sam will be here for 10 years just…., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Larz said: Sam will be here for 10 years just…., Sam had the same type of holdout and he was still easy to get rid of. Just do what you can to get him in as soon as possible and worry about the rest later. Douglas might not have a job if Zach bombs so he shouldn’t really worry about those “what if” scenarios too heavily. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Larz Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Sam had the same type of holdout and he was still easy to get rid of. Just do what you can to get him in as soon as possible and worry about the rest later. Douglas might not have a job if Zach bombs so he shouldn’t really worry about those “what if” scenarios too heavily. Jacksonville drooped their pants. JD is not going to just copy it to make it go away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mogglez Posted July 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, Larz said: Jacksonville drooped their pants. JD is not going to just copy it to make it go away They didn’t drop their pants at all. They gave their highly touted 1st overall pick, who plays the most important position in sports, favorable language in his contract in order to get a deal done and get him in for camp. The money was already slotted. Douglas should follow suit with the guy picked one slot later. 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 It’s the same issue every time. Owners and players need to fix this during the next cba. Just sign the guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttujet Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, Embrace the Suck said: The Joe Buck stops here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 If these 3 arent in by the start of camp, we bring back the “Joe Must Go!!!” chant from the 80s. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Zachtion Posted July 20, 2021 Author Share Posted July 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Joe W. Namath said: If these 3 arent in by the start of camp, we bring back the “Joe Must Go!!!” chant from the 80s. It seems like a silly hill to die on if he is playing hardball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post slats Posted July 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 20, 2021 8 hours ago, GreenFish said: It’s the same issue every time. Owners and players need to fix this during the next cba. Just sign the guy. Yes, this offset language bull**** needs to be eliminated. The owners got what they wanted over a decade ago with these slotted salaries, with the cost of rookies going way down. For example, Mark Sánchez, as the fifth pick of the 2009 draft, signed a four year, $47M contract. Under the current CBA, Zach Wilson, picked #2 twelve years later, will sign a deal for $35M. The owners already won this battle, the offset language is just being greedy. First round contracts should just be fully guaranteed. Draft wisely. 8 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 The Johnson's...the gift that keeps on giving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sec101row23 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 14 minutes ago, slats said: Yes, this offset language bull**** needs to be eliminated. The owners got what they wanted over a decade ago with these slotted salaries, with the cost of rookies going way down. For example, Mark Sánchez, as the fifth pick of the 2009 draft, signed a four year, $47M contract. Under the current CBA, Zach Wilson, picked #2 twelve years later, will sign a deal for $35M. The owners already won this battle, the offset language is just being greedy. First round contracts should just be fully guaranteed. Draft wisely. In the case of Bosa it wasn’t just the offset language. The Chargers were, maybe still are, notorious for not wanting to pay the signing bonus up front and would rather defer it over time, that’s why they typically have the most trouble with their first round pick negotiations. When it comes to a highly drafted QB, squabbling over offset is tedious because if it were to be an issue down the road, it would mean that the QB failed to develop and was a failure. If that is the case, the team has far greater problems than whatever offset language was negotiated 4 years earlier. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Mogglez said: They didn’t drop their pants at all. They gave their highly touted 1st overall pick, who plays the most important position in sports, favorable language in his contract in order to get a deal done and get him in for camp. The money was already slotted. Douglas should follow suit with the guy picked one slot later. Would argue it's #2, behind a hockey goaltender, but that's splitting hairs.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 If I were a player, rookie deal I would do myself, and save the 7.5%. All the agent is going to do is cause confussion for his ego. Second deal ya need an agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianaJet Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 So rookies are supposed to report today. I'm guessing Zach, AVT and Moore won't be there. I don't think the first practice is until next week....but still missing valuable classroom time. Someone DM Zach's mom and see if they can get some info. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdhc Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 It’s easy to get in an uproar but the qbs always sign. Darnold was the longest holdout I can remember and it was only a few days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alka Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, flgreen said: If I were a player, rookie deal I would do myself, and save the 7.5%. All the agent is going to do is cause confussion for his ego. Second deal ya need an agent. Is it really 7.5% ? Yes, no need for an agent for the first deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 12 hours ago, Bruce Harper said: Offset language only comes into play if he doesn’t play out his rookie contract. Show some confidence in your decision on the number 2 pick. This is not the time to play hardball. Sent from my iPhone using JetNation.com mobile app Maybe Wilson should STFU and show that HE has confidence in HIMSELF, and stop demanding "what if I bust" contract terms. He's going to get many many millions regardless. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 It just seems down right un-American to get paid not to play for one team while you're being paid to play for another. Of course, this happens with coaches all the time. For example, I believe we were paying half of Bowles salary to be DC for Tampa 2018-19, which was a compromise between all parties. But that doesn't impact salary cap so who cares. Offset language can also lead to a moral hazard situation by removing some incentive for a player to maximize his next contract (or to play at all). I'm surprised Belichick doesn't sign FAs with offset language at league minimum ("Hey, you're going to get paid either way, what do you care if it comes from us of from your former team? Come get a ring.") 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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